From flex-dev-return-13044-apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Oct 5 14:28:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 44B06DD2E for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 50925 invoked by uid 500); 5 Oct 2012 14:28:21 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 50895 invoked by uid 500); 5 Oct 2012 14:28:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact flex-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 50887 invoked by uid 99); 5 Oct 2012 14:28:21 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:28:21 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=FRT_ADOBE2,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of aharui@adobe.com designates 64.18.1.33 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.18.1.33] (HELO exprod6og114.obsmtp.com) (64.18.1.33) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:28:14 +0000 Received: from outbound-smtp-1.corp.adobe.com ([192.150.11.134]) by exprod6ob114.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUG7uaEX5Gb5WyjPcCcL8deBQZ+LyI9KE@postini.com; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 07:27:52 PDT Received: from inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com ([153.32.1.51]) by outbound-smtp-1.corp.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id q95EPC5I028651 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 07:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nacas01.corp.adobe.com (nacas01.corp.adobe.com [10.8.189.99]) by inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id q95ERpNc022632 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 07:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NAMBX02.corp.adobe.com ([10.8.127.96]) by nacas01.corp.adobe.com ([10.8.189.99]) with mapi; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 07:27:51 -0700 From: Alex Harui To: "flex-dev@incubator.apache.org" Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 07:27:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Any news about FalconJS donation? (was: Financing the Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Design View AIR App)) Thread-Topic: Any news about FalconJS donation? (was: Financing the Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Design View AIR App)) Thread-Index: Ac2jAqAfQ5AvpQXjR+aVp0yncOJEHAAAvg8i Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/13.13.0.120411 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org FalconJS is not under development. A prototype was built several months ago, but no serious work has been done on it since. I should be able to start on its legal review next week. On 10/5/12 7:06 AM, "filippo dipisa" wrote: > FOr what I understand falco js is still under development and there is ju= st > one resource on it so don't hope on it. > Please correct me if I am wrong. > Here there is a good solution if you want to use as to create js apps >=20 > http://www.jangaroo.net/home/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 5 October 2012 14:53, s=E9bastien Paturel wro= te: >=20 >> Following the HTML5 targetting discussion >> is there any news about the FalconJS donation, as we now have Falcon >> donated, it shoudl be next? >>=20 >>=20 >> Le 05/10/2012 15:46, Charles Monteiro a =E9crit : >>=20 >>> I'm wondering if most in this group are more interested about targeting >>> html5 than air because it seems to me it would be hard to do both well. >>>=20 >>> I want to run on AIR. >>> On Oct 5, 2012 9:38 AM, "s=E9bastien Paturel" >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>> I agree with others that you should abandone the idea that Adobe could >>>> get >>>> Catalyst back from the dead. >>>> They have been pretty clear about it, and the open sourcing is not an >>>> option because of code dependencies. >>>>=20 >>>> Your only chance to see catalyst come back from Adobe, is to make Apac= he >>>> Flex te best framework for HTML5 runtime! >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Le 04/10/2012 00:48, Sebastian Mohr a =E9crit : >>>>=20 >>>> @christofer dutz ... thanks for sharing your thoughts. +1 from my sid= e! >>>>> Flash Catalyst CS5.5 is a charm for interaction designers like me. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Sincerely Yours, >>>>>=20 >>>>> Sebastian Mohr >>>>> Apache Flex Developer (PPMC), >>>>> Interaction Designer & Musician >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/****masuland>>>> and> >>>>>=20 = >>>> > >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Oct 3, 2012, at 7:21 PM, christofer.dutz@c-ware.de wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Well isn't it usually that way around? >>>>>=20 >>>>>> I create some general UI scetches using some tools like blamiq mocku= ps >>>>>> and deal with negoitating the functionallity with my customers. As >>>>>> soon as >>>>>> the component works as desired I go "pimp my app" and give it to a >>>>>> designer >>>>>> to have it pimped. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Using Catalyst this was really easy (As soon as you had a desiger at >>>>>> hand that was used to it and it's concepts). I was even able to let = the >>>>>> designer skin a running application deployed by me somewhere on the >>>>>> web, so >>>>>> I didn't have give away the code of the application itself or setup = the >>>>>> environment at the designers office. This workflow was the major >>>>>> breakthrough for me and was one of the major things that made me shi= ft >>>>>> allmost entirely to the Flex road. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> It's a real pitty to have it dropped and wasted :-( >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>>>> Von: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com] >>>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Oktober 2012 18:18 >>>>>> An: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> Betreff: Re: AW: Financing the Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Design >>>>>> View >>>>>> AIR App) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 10/3/12 7:38 AM, "christofer.dutz@c-ware.de" < >>>>>> christofer.dutz@c-ware.de> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Oh ... let me thow in a little more weight for the Catalyst ;-) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I invested quite some time in setting up a project structure that >>>>>>> allowed me to concentrate on developing (Using an ugly but function= al >>>>>>> developer Skin) and having professional Designers use Catalyst to S= kin >>>>>>> the application. >>>>>>> Unfortunately it seemed that the designers available on the market >>>>>>> were all even less "finished" than the Catalyst project, but as soo= n >>>>>>> as the designers got the hang of it, the results were pretty >>>>>>> sattisfying and I had what I was allways dreaming about: Being able= to >>>>>>> concentrate on the functionality and have a designer do all the stu= ff >>>>>>> that sells the application (cool buttons, even greater effects and >>>>>>> animated transitions, ...) :-) >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I would be really happy if Adobe didn't entirely drop this tool, an= d >>>>>>> if they did, If they would somehow open-source it. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> It is essentially "dropped". See [1]. There are no plans to >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>> opensource >>>>>> it. It too had a lot of "baggage" that made it difficult to impleme= nt. >>>>>> For example, it really wasn't extensible as to what components it >>>>>> could >>>>>> handle. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> The principle behind it (that you can take designer art and break it >>>>>> down into components) is compelling, but I question whether it remai= ns >>>>>> valid in a world of dynamic UI. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> It is also interesting to note that you used it in completely differ= ent >>>>>> way than it was intended. It was for a design-first-then-develop >>>>>> workflow >>>>>> and you did it the other way (which is what I do when I have a choic= e >>>>>> as >>>>>> well). >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> [1]=20 >>>>>> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/****flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html>>>>> adobe.com/devnet/**flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html> >>>>>> <**http://www.adobe.com/devnet/**flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html>>>>> .adobe.com/devnet/flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html> >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Alex Harui >>>>>> Flex SDK Team >>>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc. >>>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>=20 --=20 Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui