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From Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7
Date Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:07:00 GMT
Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue.


On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:

> I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these points:
> 
> 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get more
> involvement?
> 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they review
> the dev-list and see this issue?
> 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away with a
> follow-up point release
> 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to reproduce it.
> 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new Apache Flex
> SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now.
> 
> To me, 7 RC's is not a lot.  Sometimes, important bugs get found late in the
> game.  Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPMC votes
> on an RC8.  However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes and I
> don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if it
> isn't handling strings properly.
> 
> 
> On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello everybody,
>> 
>> The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my last
>> email, that information may be contained on the page to access the
>> Installer.
>> 
>> I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the same
>> opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where he said:
>> 
>> "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead to
>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to the
>> users."
>> 
>> But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being awaited
>> for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new Apache Flex
>> SDK.
>> 
>> Erik and Om
>> 
>> I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translations of
>> languages available today, and put them separate group with all the
>> messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to make it
>> easier to find what should be done the translation, because when you add a
>> new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each
>> language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time.
>> 
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Stefan Horochovec
>> 
>> 
>> 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herreman@gmail.com>
>> 
>>> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release often and
>>> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right.
>>> 
>>> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess.
>>> 
>>> +1 (binding)
>>> 
>>> regards,
>>> Christophe
>>> 
>>> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>>> This issue will be fixed in the next release.
>>>> 
>>>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay a release
>>>> till we get everything perfect.  We will never release anything if we
>>> wait
>>>> to fix every issue that we discover.
>>>> 
>>>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security
>>>> implications.  We cannot delay the release any longer especially after so
>>>> many people have voted for the release.
>>>> 
>>>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap.  We will be
>>>> making a follow up release soon.  Also, we are shipping with an auto
>>> update
>>>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent releases for
>>> sure.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Om
>>>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" <
>>>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's
>>> current
>>>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to get this
>>>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues with the
>>>>> proposed RC in terms of translations.
>>>>> 
>>>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious issues are
>>>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems for
>>>> (perhaps
>>>>> a minor part of ) the users.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead to
>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to the
>>>>> users.
>>>>> 
>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>> Christophe
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes...please, release....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.developer@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> Release, release, release!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -omar
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Stefan,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications. That's
why I
>>>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release, to adress
this
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix into the
source
>>>> this
>>>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates, a kind
of
>>>> 'vote
>>>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if we do another
RC, I
>>>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because people will
not
>>>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now have to
do a
>>>>> release.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> EdB
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Erik
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating systems
that
>>> have
>>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different from en_US,
>>> however,
>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language of the installer
>>> for
>>>>>> en_US.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the language to
en_US,
>>> the
>>>>>>>>> installation dont work.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese):
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK a partir
do CGI.
>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache Flex
>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário
>>>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório temporário
>>>>>>>>> Instalação abortada
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 1 -
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png
>>>>>>>>> 2 -
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png
>>>>>>>>> 3 -
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png
>>>>>>>>> 4 -
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem, a time
may come
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>>>> a large number of people.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Stefan,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we discussed,
I'll look
>>> into
>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure they will
prove valid
>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> useful.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update soon, lack
of true
>>>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal breaker
for this first
>>>>>>>>>> release?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> EdB
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> -1
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment in English,
but
>>> when I
>>>>>>>> changed
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese), to test
the
>>> translations,
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>>>>> was not good.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license will
be accepted,
>>> just
>>>> no
>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch is made
the selected
>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>> Ex:
>>>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back to my default
language.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also submitted
a patch
>>> (which
>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> accepted)
>>>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation
of default
>>>> language
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation user's
language, so
>>>> when
>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with all texts,
some not
>>>>>> translated.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid when the
Installer is
>>>>> launched
>>>>>>>> on an
>>>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation
and the same is
>>>>>> detected
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys for translation
into
>>>>> English.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave Fisher
to vote here.
>>>  After
>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Om
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton
<
>>>>>> cframpto@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
>>>>>> Director de Tecnología
>>>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>>>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
>>>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
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>>>>>> http://www.avant2.es
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Christophe Herreman
>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com
>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christophe Herreman
>>> http://www.herrodius.com
>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>>> http://www.as3commons.org
>>> 

-- 
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui


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