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From Carol Frampton <cfram...@adobe.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7
Date Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:19:40 GMT


On 10/19/12 12 :11PM, "Mikhail Vorobyov" <vorobyov.mikhail@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Why don't you want to set AIR 3.4 and playerglobal11_4.swc for downloading
>but only 3.1 and 11.1?

Neither of those are officially supported with Apache Flex 4.8.  They may
work but we haven't tested them yet.  Apache Flex 4.8 was a parity release
with Adobe Flex 4.6 which runs with FP11.1 and AIR 3.1.

Carol

>
>2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>
>> It is not about 7 RCs.  The 7th RC just got enough votes and we are
>>going
>> to promote it to an actual release.
>>
>> Close to 20 people voted +1 and we got 2 -1s.  As a release manager, I
>> think this is good enough for a release.
>>
>> The issue is not blocker since there is an obvious workaround.  And
>>there
>> are no security implications.
>>
>> I would rather release now than wait for yet another arbitrary deadline
>> (4.8.1)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Om
>> On Oct 19, 2012 8:06 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these
>>points:
>> >
>> > 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get
>>more
>> > involvement?
>> > 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they
>>review
>> > the dev-list and see this issue?
>> > 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away
>> with
>> > a
>> > follow-up point release
>> > 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to
>>reproduce
>> > it.
>> > 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new
>>Apache
>> > Flex
>> > SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now.
>> >
>> > To me, 7 RC's is not a lot.  Sometimes, important bugs get found late
>>in
>> > the
>> > game.  Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPMC
>> > votes
>> > on an RC8.  However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes
>>and I
>> > don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if
>>it
>> > isn't handling strings properly.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello everybody,
>> > >
>> > > The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my
>>last
>> > > email, that information may be contained on the page to access the
>> > > Installer.
>> > >
>> > > I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the
>>same
>> > > opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where he said:
>> > >
>> > > "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will
>>lead to
>> > > frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to
>>the
>> > > users."
>> > >
>> > > But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being
>> > awaited
>> > > for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new
>>Apache
>> > Flex
>> > > SDK.
>> > >
>> > > Erik and Om
>> > >
>> > > I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the
>>translations
>> of
>> > > languages available today, and put them separate group with all the
>> > > messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to
>>make
>> > it
>> > > easier to find what should be done the translation, because when you
>> add
>> > a
>> > > new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each
>> > > language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time.
>> > >
>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > >
>> > > Stefan Horochovec
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herreman@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > >> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release
>>often
>> > and
>> > >> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right.
>> > >>
>> > >> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess.
>> > >>
>> > >> +1 (binding)
>> > >>
>> > >> regards,
>> > >> Christophe
>> > >>
>> > >> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>> > >>
>> > >>> This issue will be fixed in the next release.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay
a
>> > release
>> > >>> till we get everything perfect.  We will never release anything
>>if we
>> > >> wait
>> > >>> to fix every issue that we discover.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security
>> > >>> implications.  We cannot delay the release any longer especially
>> after
>> > so
>> > >>> many people have voted for the release.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap. 
We
>> will
>> > be
>> > >>> making a follow up release soon.  Also, we are shipping with an
>>auto
>> > >> update
>> > >>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent releases
>>for
>> > >> sure.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Thanks,
>> > >>> Om
>> > >>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" <
>> > >>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in
it's
>> > >> current
>> > >>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to
get
>> this
>> > >>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues
with
>> the
>> > >>>> proposed RC in terms of translations.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious
>>issues
>> are
>> > >>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems
>>for
>> > >>> (perhaps
>> > >>>> a minor part of ) the users.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will
>>lead
>> to
>> > >>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache
Flex
>>to
>> > the
>> > >>>> users.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> kind regards,
>> > >>>> Christophe
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Yes...please, release....
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.developer@gmail.com>:
>> > >>>>>> Release, release, release!!!
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> -omar
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Stefan,
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications.
That's
>>why
>> I
>> > >>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release,
to adress
>> this
>> > >>> and
>> > >>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix
into the
>>source
>> > >>> this
>> > >>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates,
a kind
>>of
>> > >>> 'vote
>> > >>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if
we do another
>>RC,
>> I
>> > >>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because
people will
>>not
>> > >>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again).
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now
have to do a
>> > >>>> release.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> EdB
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec
>> > >>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>> Erik
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating
systems that
>> > >> have
>> > >>>>>>> language
>> > >>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different
from en_US,
>> > >> however,
>> > >>>>> have to
>> > >>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language
of the installer
>> > >> for
>> > >>>>> en_US.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the
language to en_US,
>> > >> the
>> > >>>>>>>> installation dont work.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese):
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK
a partir do CGI.
>> > >>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache Flex
>> > >>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário
>> > >>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório temporário
>> > >>>>>>>> Instalação abortada
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> 1 -
>> > >>>>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png
>> > >>>>>>>> 2 -
>> > >>>>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png
>> > >>>>>>>> 3 -
>> > >>>>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png
>> > >>>>>>>> 4 -
>> > >>>>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem,
a time may
>>come
>> > >>> that
>> > >>>>>>> affect
>> > >>>>>>>> a large number of people.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Stefan,
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we
discussed, I'll look
>> > >> into
>> > >>>> your
>> > >>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure
they will prove valid
>> > >> and
>> > >>>>>>>>> useful.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update
soon, lack of true
>> > >>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal
breaker for this
>>first
>> > >>>>>>>>> release?
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> EdB
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan
Horochovec
>> > >>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>> -1
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment
in English, but
>> > >> when I
>> > >>>>>>> changed
>> > >>>>>>>>> my
>> > >>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese),
to test the
>> > >> translations,
>> > >>>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>> result
>> > >>>>>>>>>> was not good.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license
will be accepted,
>> > >> just
>> > >>> no
>> > >>>>>>> option
>> > >>>>>>>>> on
>> > >>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch
is made the selected
>> > >>>>> language.
>> > >>>>>>> Ex:
>> > >>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back
to my default language.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also
submitted a patch
>> > >> (which
>> > >>> if
>> > >>>>>>>>> accepted)
>> > >>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation
of default
>> > >>> language
>> > >>>> of
>> > >>>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation
user's language,
>>so
>> > >>> when
>> > >>>>>>> getting
>> > >>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with
all texts, some not
>> > >>>>> translated.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid
when the Installer is
>> > >>>> launched
>> > >>>>>>> on an
>> > >>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation
and the same
>>is
>> > >>>>> detected
>> > >>>>>>> by
>> > >>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys
for translation into
>> > >>>> English.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave
Fisher to vote here.
>> > >>  After
>> > >>>>> that I
>> > >>>>>>>>> will
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Om
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM,
Carol Frampton <
>> > >>>>> cframpto@adobe.com
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> --
>> > >>>>> Carlos Rovira
>> > >>>>> Director de Tecnología
>> > >>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> > >>>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
>> > >>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> > >>>>> http://www.directwriter.es
>> > >>>>> http://www.avant2.es
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> --
>> > >>>> Christophe Herreman
>> > >>>> http://www.herrodius.com
>> > >>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>> > >>>> http://www.as3commons.org
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Christophe Herreman
>> > >> http://www.herrodius.com
>> > >> http://www.springactionscript.org
>> > >> http://www.as3commons.org
>> > >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Alex Harui
>> > Flex SDK Team
>> > Adobe Systems, Inc.
>> > http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>> >
>> >
>>


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