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From Carol Frampton <cfram...@adobe.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7
Date Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:22:13 GMT


On 10/19/12 11 :57AM, "Om" <bigosmallm@gmail.com> wrote:

>It is not about 7 RCs.  The 7th RC just got enough votes and we are going
>to promote it to an actual release.
>
>Close to 20 people voted +1 and we got 2 -1s.  As a release manager, I
>think this is good enough for a release.

True you got 20 votes but how many of those people were running on a
non-English platform?  Not me.

I'm not going to change my vote but if I was the release manager I would
seriously consider fixing it now.  I would make sure I understood what the
user experience would be in this situation.  I think first impressions
matter a lot.  Given all the interest we have in locales it is clear we
have many non-English users.

Carol

>
>The issue is not blocker since there is an obvious workaround.  And there
>are no security implications.
>
>I would rather release now than wait for yet another arbitrary deadline
>(4.8.1)
>
>Thanks,
>Om
>On Oct 19, 2012 8:06 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these
>>points:
>>
>> 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get more
>> involvement?
>> 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they
>>review
>> the dev-list and see this issue?
>> 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away
>>with
>> a
>> follow-up point release
>> 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to reproduce
>> it.
>> 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new Apache
>> Flex
>> SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now.
>>
>> To me, 7 RC's is not a lot.  Sometimes, important bugs get found late in
>> the
>> game.  Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPMC
>> votes
>> on an RC8.  However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes and
>>I
>> don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if it
>> isn't handling strings properly.
>>
>>
>> On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello everybody,
>> >
>> > The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my last
>> > email, that information may be contained on the page to access the
>> > Installer.
>> >
>> > I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the same
>> > opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where he said:
>> >
>> > "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead
>>to
>> > frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to
>>the
>> > users."
>> >
>> > But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being
>> awaited
>> > for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new Apache
>> Flex
>> > SDK.
>> >
>> > Erik and Om
>> >
>> > I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translations
>>of
>> > languages available today, and put them separate group with all the
>> > messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to
>>make
>> it
>> > easier to find what should be done the translation, because when you
>>add
>> a
>> > new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each
>> > language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time.
>> >
>> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Stefan Horochovec
>> >
>> >
>> > 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herreman@gmail.com>
>> >
>> >> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release
>>often
>> and
>> >> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right.
>> >>
>> >> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess.
>> >>
>> >> +1 (binding)
>> >>
>> >> regards,
>> >> Christophe
>> >>
>> >> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >>> This issue will be fixed in the next release.
>> >>>
>> >>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay a
>> release
>> >>> till we get everything perfect.  We will never release anything if
>>we
>> >> wait
>> >>> to fix every issue that we discover.
>> >>>
>> >>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security
>> >>> implications.  We cannot delay the release any longer especially
>>after
>> so
>> >>> many people have voted for the release.
>> >>>
>> >>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap.  We
>>will
>> be
>> >>> making a follow up release soon.  Also, we are shipping with an auto
>> >> update
>> >>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent releases
>>for
>> >> sure.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Om
>> >>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" <
>> >>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's
>> >> current
>> >>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to get
>>this
>> >>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues with
>>the
>> >>>> proposed RC in terms of translations.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious issues
>>are
>> >>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems for
>> >>> (perhaps
>> >>>> a minor part of ) the users.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will
>>lead to
>> >>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex
to
>> the
>> >>>> users.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> kind regards,
>> >>>> Christophe
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Yes...please, release....
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.developer@gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>> Release, release, release!!!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -omar
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Stefan,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications.
That's
>>why I
>> >>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release,
to adress
>>this
>> >>> and
>> >>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix into
the source
>> >>> this
>> >>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates,
a kind of
>> >>> 'vote
>> >>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if we do
another
>>RC, I
>> >>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because people
will not
>> >>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again).
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now have
to do a
>> >>>> release.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> EdB
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec
>> >>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Erik
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating
systems that
>> >> have
>> >>>>>>> language
>> >>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different from
en_US,
>> >> however,
>> >>>>> have to
>> >>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language of
the installer
>> >> for
>> >>>>> en_US.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the language
to en_US,
>> >> the
>> >>>>>>>> installation dont work.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese):
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK a partir
do CGI.
>> >>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache Flex
>> >>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário
>> >>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório temporário
>> >>>>>>>> Instalação abortada
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 1 -
>> >>>>> 
>>https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png
>> >>>>>>>> 2 -
>> >>>>> 
>>https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png
>> >>>>>>>> 3 -
>> >>>>> 
>>https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png
>> >>>>>>>> 4 -
>> >>>>> 
>>https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem,
a time may come
>> >>> that
>> >>>>>>> affect
>> >>>>>>>> a large number of people.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Stefan,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we discussed,
I'll look
>> >> into
>> >>>> your
>> >>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure they
will prove valid
>> >> and
>> >>>>>>>>> useful.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update soon,
lack of true
>> >>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal breaker
for this
>>first
>> >>>>>>>>> release?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> EdB
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec
>> >>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> -1
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment
in English, but
>> >> when I
>> >>>>>>> changed
>> >>>>>>>>> my
>> >>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese), to
test the
>> >> translations,
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> result
>> >>>>>>>>>> was not good.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license
will be accepted,
>> >> just
>> >>> no
>> >>>>>>> option
>> >>>>>>>>> on
>> >>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch is
made the selected
>> >>>>> language.
>> >>>>>>> Ex:
>> >>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back to my
default language.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also submitted
a patch
>> >> (which
>> >>> if
>> >>>>>>>>> accepted)
>> >>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation
of default
>> >>> language
>> >>>> of
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation
user's language, so
>> >>> when
>> >>>>>>> getting
>> >>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with all
texts, some not
>> >>>>> translated.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid when
the Installer is
>> >>>> launched
>> >>>>>>> on an
>> >>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation
and the same is
>> >>>>> detected
>> >>>>>>> by
>> >>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys for
translation into
>> >>>> English.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave Fisher
to vote here.
>> >>  After
>> >>>>> that I
>> >>>>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Om
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol
Frampton <
>> >>>>> cframpto@adobe.com
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Carlos Rovira
>> >>>>> Director de Tecnología
>> >>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> >>>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
>> >>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> >>>>> http://www.directwriter.es
>> >>>>> http://www.avant2.es
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Christophe Herreman
>> >>>> http://www.herrodius.com
>> >>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>> >>>> http://www.as3commons.org
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Christophe Herreman
>> >> http://www.herrodius.com
>> >> http://www.springactionscript.org
>> >> http://www.as3commons.org
>> >>
>>
>> --
>> Alex Harui
>> Flex SDK Team
>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>
>>


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