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From Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com>
Subject Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools
Date Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:34:15 GMT



On 10/2/12 10:30 AM, "Stakesoft" <mail@stakesoft.com> wrote:

> That's all very well but (DV aside) FB is far better and we are used to it.
> It's not very useful to run 2 IDE's alongside otherwise we could use FB4.6 and
> FB4.7 nor is it a forward step to use a different IDE.
I agree.  I've been wondering if it is possible to create plugins for both
IDE's that can host a SWF.
> 
> Wanting another IDE to get better just because the Adobe one has just got
> worse is sole destroying, as is spending good time and money on an IDE that's
> now going to be of little use. I don't want to get into a rant, I'd rather be
> constructive.
> 
> Is Apache at least sympathetic towards this, does Adobe care about this. Is
> there any hope at all?
I would say that Adobe cares, but that doesn't mean that they will commit
resources or donate DV code.  Many difficult decisions were made last year,
and I haven't seen any reason to change any of them.

You are welcome to open a JIRA ticket for Apache Flex and try to see if you
can define requirements in priority order.  Remember that this is a
volunteer organization so you can't just say "replicate DV".  What are the
most important aspects of DV?  Is one of them IDE integration?  If so, why?
An AIR DV could certainly launch an ant script to build your changes.

> 
> Nigel
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: charles.monteiro@gmail.com [mailto:charles.monteiro@gmail.com] On Behalf
> Of Charles Monteiro
> Sent: 02 October 2012 18:11
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org; apache-flex@bentbit.com
> Subject: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools
> 
> If that's all you need I would again check out Intellij IDEA Flash design
> viewer plugin, that's exactly what it does, it even allows for configuring
> of attributes though selecting the correct entity is buggy, doing a
> "preview" is not
> 
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:04 PM, BentBit Apache-Flex <apache-flex@bentbit.com
>> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>>         I use design view to "preview" elements of my Flash Builder
>> project. Previewing makes the design workflow much faster because I can
>> see how the project is going to look. I rarely rely on design view to make
>> actual changes to my projects because it is slow and unreliable.
>> 
>>         Would it be possible to develop some sort of a preview that would
>> function for Apache Flex and Adobe Flex? I am not worried about losing
>> design view, just the preview capability.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> -Blake
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stakesoft [mailto:mail@stakesoft.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:32 AM
>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools
>> 
>> Technical issues aside I suspect there a good few of us that rely on
>> design views (and we are not all noobs). Many are supporting not having a
>> DV as they don't use it and that's fine for them but a bit of a disaster
>> for others. There are IDE's with DV's and those without - the best in my
>> mind all have a DV.
>> 
>> If Adobe are not taking care of the SDK or the DV it leaves much less
>> advantage over other free software.
>> 
>> Non DV developers at Adobe please try and understand how important a DV is
>> to the many who use it. I wish 4.7 onwards all the best but it will just
>> about unusable for me.
>> 
>> Nigel
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
>> Sent: 02 October 2012 17:12
>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/2/12 8:55 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <masuland@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> @Adobe ... what's wrong with continuing building GUI
>>> designer tools for Apache Flex? Is that really something
>>> that is not worth investing into? You already created those
>>> tools. So, why not sharing some of your expertise with the
>>> community, and, not locking your code in the archives of
>>> Adobe history?
>>> 
>> This has been discussed before.  Design View is highly dependent on a Flex
>> SDK version.  It is not practical for Adobe to maintain DV in FB now that
>> SDKs are coming from Apache.
>> 
>> I think the DV code is flawed for that reason and some others.  It is
>> probably better to simply start over.  AFAIK, it is "just" an Eclipse
>> plug-in.
>> 
>> If figuring out some aspect of the plug-in turns out to be difficult, I
>> can
>> try to see if there are some pieces we could donate, but the assessment
>> from
>> the owners of the code is that there isn't much that is re-usable.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Harui
>> Flex SDK Team
>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
> 

-- 
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui


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