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From Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7
Date Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:42:34 GMT
Erik

You check the path that I send on
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223 ?

I believe this bug can be happening in different ways, since the MacOS
environment with AIR 3.4 (Alex) the result was a little different from
mine. He did not return to the environment in Portuguese, and set it
manually to see the error.

My idea for fix this is the app read in first time the resources of the
default language of the installer, after, it loads the operating system
language of the user. This way the app will point the texts of the default
language when user language is not contained translating.

Stefan Horochovec

2012/10/22 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>

> Hans,
>
> Can you please create a JIRA ticket with your "functionality" remarks
> (below)? I will start work on this soon after the release of v 1.0,
> and having this all at hand in JIRA will help me a lot.
>
> Thanks,
>
> EdB
>
>
>
> > Here is what I found for the functionality:
> > - The name of the application looks kinda weird: "InstallApacheFlex".
> Can't we just change this to "Apache Flex Installer", and maybe even put it
> default in a "Apache Flex" folder (since I think this is only a until, and
> not really a very important standalone application).
> > - The disclaimer button does not perform any action, it is just a link
> to the disclaimer. So I believe from a usability viewing point, this should
> be a LinkButton instead of a Button, right?
> > - I think the "SHOW LOG" button should not be inside the application,
> but rather be a NativeMenuItem.
> > - For the licenses, is it really necessary to agree on all of them
> separately? (I think this has been discussed before, but I thought I'd just
> mention it in case it wasn't).
> >
> > Also, the design does indeed need to be cleaned up a little bit (the
> buttons don't always rescale -- for instance when you switch to Dutch, the
> "Install" button says "Install…" because the button's label isn't
> rescaling).
> > If I find the time I will try to have a look at it more and discuss it.
> >
> > I hope I didn't repeat anything that what was said before too much.
> >
> > H.
> >
> > Hans Van den Keybus | dotdotcommadot.com
> > Mail: hans@dotdotcommadot.com
> > Phone: 0032 (0) 486 16 30 69
> >
> > On 20-okt.-2012, at 02:37, Stefan Horochovec <
> stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well
> >>
> >> You can see this video, I'm recording to show how the bug happen
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AlmwX75RqM
> >>
> >>
> >> Stefan Horochovec
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2012/10/19 Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> Alex
> >>>
> >>> What AIR version you are running?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Stefan Horochovec
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2012/10/19 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>
> >>>
> >>>> Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these
> >>>> points:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and
get
> more
> >>>>> involvement?
> >>>>> 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they
> >>>> review
> >>>>> the dev-list and see this issue?
> >>>>> 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right
away
> >>>> with a
> >>>>> follow-up point release
> >>>>> 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to
> >>>> reproduce it.
> >>>>> 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new
> Apache
> >>>> Flex
> >>>>> SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To me, 7 RC's is not a lot.  Sometimes, important bugs get found
late
> >>>> in the
> >>>>> game.  Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough
> PPMC
> >>>> votes
> >>>>> on an RC8.  However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes
> and
> >>>> I
> >>>>> don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door
if
> it
> >>>>> isn't handling strings properly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <
> stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello everybody,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and
in my
> last
> >>>>>> email, that information may be contained on the page to access
the
> >>>>>> Installer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared
the
> same
> >>>>>> opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where
he said:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will
> lead to
> >>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache
Flex to
> the
> >>>>>> users."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But I also agree with you that we need this release which is
being
> >>>> awaited
> >>>>>> for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the
new
> Apache
> >>>> Flex
> >>>>>> SDK.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Erik and Om
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the
> translations
> >>>> of
> >>>>>> languages available today, and put them separate group with
all the
> >>>>>> messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages,
to
> >>>> make it
> >>>>>> easier to find what should be done the translation, because
when you
> >>>> add a
> >>>>>> new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation
for each
> >>>>>> language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much
time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herreman@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to
release
> >>>> often and
> >>>>>>> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified
I guess.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> +1 (binding)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>> Christophe
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This issue will be fixed in the next release.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot
delay a
> >>>> release
> >>>>>>>> till we get everything perfect.  We will never release
anything
> if we
> >>>>>>> wait
> >>>>>>>> to fix every issue that we discover.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have
security
> >>>>>>>> implications.  We cannot delay the release any longer
especially
> >>>> after so
> >>>>>>>> many people have voted for the release.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed
asap.  We
> >>>> will be
> >>>>>>>> making a follow up release soon.  Also, we are shipping
with an
> auto
> >>>>>>> update
> >>>>>>>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent
releases
> for
> >>>>>>> sure.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>> Om
> >>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" <
> >>>>>>>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the
installer in it's
> >>>>>>> current
> >>>>>>>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement
to get
> >>>> this
> >>>>>>>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger
issues with
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> proposed RC in terms of translations.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most
serious
> issues
> >>>> are
> >>>>>>>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will
cause problems
> for
> >>>>>>>> (perhaps
> >>>>>>>>> a minor part of ) the users.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried
that this will
> lead
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming
from Apache Flex
> to
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> users.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> kind regards,
> >>>>>>>>> Christophe
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes...please, release....
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.developer@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Release, release, release!!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -omar
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see
the implications. That's
> why
> >>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER
this release, to adress
> >>>> this
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter
your fix into the
> source
> >>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release
candidates, a kind
> of
> >>>>>>>> 'vote
> >>>>>>>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean
that if we do another
> RC,
> >>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes
just because people will
> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again,
and again).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the
votes we now have to do a
> >>>>>>>>> release.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> EdB
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan
Horochovec
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer
in operating systems that
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> language
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> available on Installer and that
is different from en_US,
> >>>>>>> however,
> >>>>>>>>>> have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be done the process of changing
the language of the installer
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>> en_US.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't
change the language to en_US,
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> installation dont work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese):
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download
do SDK a partir do CGI.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache Flex
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório
temporário
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Instalação abortada
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 -
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 -
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 -
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 -
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical
problem, a time may
> come
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> affect
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a large number of people.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution!
As we discussed, I'll look
> >>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and
I'm sure they will prove valid
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do
an update soon, lack of true
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't
be a deal breaker for this
> first
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18
AM, Stefan Horochovec
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in
an environment in English, but
> >>>>>>> when I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> changed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language
(Portuguese), to test the
> >>>>>>> translations,
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> result
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not good.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined
which license will be accepted,
> >>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>>>>>> option
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when
the switch is made the selected
> >>>>>>>>>> language.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ex:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then
go back to my default language.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA,
and also submitted a patch
> >>>>>>> (which
> >>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to
load the translation of default
> >>>>>>>> language
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer and then load
the installation user's language,
> so
> >>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>>>>> getting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface
with all texts, some not
> >>>>>>>>>> translated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is
only valid when the Installer is
> >>>>>>>>> launched
> >>>>>>>>>>>> on an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains
a translation and the same
> is
> >>>>>>>>>> detected
> >>>>>>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the installer before being
read keys for translation into
> >>>>>>>>> English.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more
day for Dave Fisher to vote here.
> >>>>>>> After
> >>>>>>>>>> that I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread
on general.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012
at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton <
> >>>>>>>>>> cframpto@adobe.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> >>>>>>>>>> Director de Tecnología
> >>>>>>>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >>>>>>>>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.directwriter.es
> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.avant2.es
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Christophe Herreman
> >>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com
> >>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
> >>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Alex Harui
> >>>> Flex SDK Team
> >>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> >>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
>
>
>
> --
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>
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>
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