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From Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7
Date Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:37:46 GMT
Well

You can see this video, I'm recording to show how the bug happen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AlmwX75RqM


Stefan Horochovec



2012/10/19 Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>

> Alex
>
> What AIR version you are running?
>
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> Stefan Horochovec
>
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>
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> 2012/10/19 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>
>
>> Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue.
>>
>>
>> On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these
>> points:
>> >
>> > 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get more
>> > involvement?
>> > 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they
>> review
>> > the dev-list and see this issue?
>> > 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away
>> with a
>> > follow-up point release
>> > 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to
>> reproduce it.
>> > 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new Apache
>> Flex
>> > SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now.
>> >
>> > To me, 7 RC's is not a lot.  Sometimes, important bugs get found late
>> in the
>> > game.  Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPMC
>> votes
>> > on an RC8.  However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes and
>> I
>> > don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if it
>> > isn't handling strings properly.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello everybody,
>> >>
>> >> The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my last
>> >> email, that information may be contained on the page to access the
>> >> Installer.
>> >>
>> >> I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the same
>> >> opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where he said:
>> >>
>> >> "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead to
>> >> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to the
>> >> users."
>> >>
>> >> But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being
>> awaited
>> >> for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new Apache
>> Flex
>> >> SDK.
>> >>
>> >> Erik and Om
>> >>
>> >> I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translations
>> of
>> >> languages available today, and put them separate group with all the
>> >> messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to
>> make it
>> >> easier to find what should be done the translation, because when you
>> add a
>> >> new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each
>> >> language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time.
>> >>
>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Stefan Horochovec
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herreman@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >>> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release
>> often and
>> >>> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right.
>> >>>
>> >>> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess.
>> >>>
>> >>> +1 (binding)
>> >>>
>> >>> regards,
>> >>> Christophe
>> >>>
>> >>> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>> >>>
>> >>>> This issue will be fixed in the next release.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay a
>> release
>> >>>> till we get everything perfect.  We will never release anything
if we
>> >>> wait
>> >>>> to fix every issue that we discover.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security
>> >>>> implications.  We cannot delay the release any longer especially
>> after so
>> >>>> many people have voted for the release.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap.  We
>> will be
>> >>>> making a follow up release soon.  Also, we are shipping with an
auto
>> >>> update
>> >>>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent releases
for
>> >>> sure.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Om
>> >>>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" <
>> >>>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in
it's
>> >>> current
>> >>>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to
get
>> this
>> >>>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues
with
>> the
>> >>>>> proposed RC in terms of translations.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious
issues
>> are
>> >>>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems
for
>> >>>> (perhaps
>> >>>>> a minor part of ) the users.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will
lead
>> to
>> >>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache
Flex to
>> the
>> >>>>> users.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> kind regards,
>> >>>>> Christophe
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Yes...please, release....
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.developer@gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>> Release, release, release!!!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -omar
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Stefan,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications.
That's why
>> I
>> >>>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release,
to adress
>> this
>> >>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix
into the source
>> >>>> this
>> >>>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates,
a kind of
>> >>>> 'vote
>> >>>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if we
do another RC,
>> I
>> >>>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because
people will not
>> >>>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again).
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now
have to do a
>> >>>>> release.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> EdB
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec
>> >>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Erik
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating
systems that
>> >>> have
>> >>>>>>>> language
>> >>>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different
from en_US,
>> >>> however,
>> >>>>>> have to
>> >>>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language
of the installer
>> >>> for
>> >>>>>> en_US.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the language
to en_US,
>> >>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> installation dont work.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese):
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK
a partir do CGI.
>> >>>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache Flex
>> >>>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário
>> >>>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório temporário
>> >>>>>>>>> Instalação abortada
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 1 -
>> >>>>>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png
>> >>>>>>>>> 2 -
>> >>>>>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png
>> >>>>>>>>> 3 -
>> >>>>>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png
>> >>>>>>>>> 4 -
>> >>>>>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem,
a time may come
>> >>>> that
>> >>>>>>>> affect
>> >>>>>>>>> a large number of people.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Stefan,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we discussed,
I'll look
>> >>> into
>> >>>>> your
>> >>>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure they
will prove valid
>> >>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>> useful.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update
soon, lack of true
>> >>>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal
breaker for this first
>> >>>>>>>>>> release?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> EdB
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan
Horochovec
>> >>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> -1
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment
in English, but
>> >>> when I
>> >>>>>>>> changed
>> >>>>>>>>>> my
>> >>>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese),
to test the
>> >>> translations,
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>> result
>> >>>>>>>>>>> was not good.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license
will be accepted,
>> >>> just
>> >>>> no
>> >>>>>>>> option
>> >>>>>>>>>> on
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch
is made the selected
>> >>>>>> language.
>> >>>>>>>> Ex:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back
to my default language.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also
submitted a patch
>> >>> (which
>> >>>> if
>> >>>>>>>>>> accepted)
>> >>>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation
of default
>> >>>> language
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation
user's language, so
>> >>>> when
>> >>>>>>>> getting
>> >>>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with
all texts, some not
>> >>>>>> translated.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid
when the Installer is
>> >>>>> launched
>> >>>>>>>> on an
>> >>>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation
and the same is
>> >>>>>> detected
>> >>>>>>>> by
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys
for translation into
>> >>>>> English.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave
Fisher to vote here.
>> >>>  After
>> >>>>>> that I
>> >>>>>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Om
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM,
Carol Frampton <
>> >>>>>> cframpto@adobe.com
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Carlos Rovira
>> >>>>>> Director de Tecnología
>> >>>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> >>>>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
>> >>>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> >>>>>> http://www.directwriter.es
>> >>>>>> http://www.avant2.es
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Christophe Herreman
>> >>>>> http://www.herrodius.com
>> >>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>> >>>>> http://www.as3commons.org
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Christophe Herreman
>> >>> http://www.herrodius.com
>> >>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>> >>> http://www.as3commons.org
>> >>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex Harui
>> Flex SDK Team
>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>
>>
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