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From Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7
Date Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:46:13 GMT
Hans

I dont have any problem when I import the project for my workspace. You
linked the common/src in your project?

Regards

Stefan Horochovec



2012/10/22 Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>

> Erik
>
> You check the path that I send on
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223 ?
>
> I believe this bug can be happening in different ways, since the MacOS
> environment with AIR 3.4 (Alex) the result was a little different from
> mine. He did not return to the environment in Portuguese, and set it
> manually to see the error.
>
> My idea for fix this is the app read in first time the resources of the
> default language of the installer, after, it loads the operating system
> language of the user. This way the app will point the texts of the default
> language when user language is not contained translating.
>
> Stefan Horochovec
>
>
> 2012/10/22 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
>
>> Hans,
>>
>> Can you please create a JIRA ticket with your "functionality" remarks
>> (below)? I will start work on this soon after the release of v 1.0,
>> and having this all at hand in JIRA will help me a lot.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> EdB
>>
>>
>>
>> > Here is what I found for the functionality:
>> > - The name of the application looks kinda weird: "InstallApacheFlex".
>> Can't we just change this to "Apache Flex Installer", and maybe even put it
>> default in a "Apache Flex" folder (since I think this is only a until, and
>> not really a very important standalone application).
>> > - The disclaimer button does not perform any action, it is just a link
>> to the disclaimer. So I believe from a usability viewing point, this should
>> be a LinkButton instead of a Button, right?
>> > - I think the "SHOW LOG" button should not be inside the application,
>> but rather be a NativeMenuItem.
>> > - For the licenses, is it really necessary to agree on all of them
>> separately? (I think this has been discussed before, but I thought I'd just
>> mention it in case it wasn't).
>> >
>> > Also, the design does indeed need to be cleaned up a little bit (the
>> buttons don't always rescale -- for instance when you switch to Dutch, the
>> "Install" button says "Install…" because the button's label isn't
>> rescaling).
>> > If I find the time I will try to have a look at it more and discuss it.
>> >
>> > I hope I didn't repeat anything that what was said before too much.
>> >
>> > H.
>> >
>> > Hans Van den Keybus | dotdotcommadot.com
>> > Mail: hans@dotdotcommadot.com
>> > Phone: 0032 (0) 486 16 30 69
>> >
>> > On 20-okt.-2012, at 02:37, Stefan Horochovec <
>> stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well
>> >>
>> >> You can see this video, I'm recording to show how the bug happen
>> >>
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AlmwX75RqM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Stefan Horochovec
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2012/10/19 Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >>> Alex
>> >>>
>> >>> What AIR version you are running?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Stefan Horochovec
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2012/10/19 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider
these
>> >>>> points:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work
and get
>> more
>> >>>>> involvement?
>> >>>>> 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if
they
>> >>>> review
>> >>>>> the dev-list and see this issue?
>> >>>>> 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right
>> away
>> >>>> with a
>> >>>>> follow-up point release
>> >>>>> 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able
to
>> >>>> reproduce it.
>> >>>>> 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a
new
>> Apache
>> >>>> Flex
>> >>>>> SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To me, 7 RC's is not a lot.  Sometimes, important bugs get found
>> late
>> >>>> in the
>> >>>>> game.  Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough
>> PPMC
>> >>>> votes
>> >>>>> on an RC8.  However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC
votes
>> and
>> >>>> I
>> >>>>> don't know why they would vote just to get something out the
door
>> if it
>> >>>>> isn't handling strings properly.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <
>> stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hello everybody,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA
and in my
>> last
>> >>>>>> email, that information may be contained on the page to
access the
>> >>>>>> Installer.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared
the
>> same
>> >>>>>> opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where
he said:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this
will
>> lead to
>> >>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache
Flex
>> to the
>> >>>>>> users."
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> But I also agree with you that we need this release which
is being
>> >>>> awaited
>> >>>>>> for so long, and for sure will help many people to have
the new
>> Apache
>> >>>> Flex
>> >>>>>> SDK.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Erik and Om
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the
>> translations
>> >>>> of
>> >>>>>> languages available today, and put them separate group with
all the
>> >>>>>> messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages,
to
>> >>>> make it
>> >>>>>> easier to find what should be done the translation, because
when
>> you
>> >>>> add a
>> >>>>>> new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation
for
>> each
>> >>>>>> language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too
much time.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herreman@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need
to release
>> >>>> often and
>> >>>>>>> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite
right.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified
I
>> guess.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> +1 (binding)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>> Christophe
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> This issue will be fixed in the next release.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we
cannot delay a
>> >>>> release
>> >>>>>>>> till we get everything perfect.  We will never release
anything
>> if we
>> >>>>>>> wait
>> >>>>>>>> to fix every issue that we discover.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it
have security
>> >>>>>>>> implications.  We cannot delay the release any longer
especially
>> >>>> after so
>> >>>>>>>> many people have voted for the release.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed
asap.  We
>> >>>> will be
>> >>>>>>>> making a follow up release soon.  Also, we are shipping
with an
>> auto
>> >>>>>>> update
>> >>>>>>>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent
>> releases for
>> >>>>>>> sure.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>>> Om
>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" <
>> >>>>>>>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release
the installer in
>> it's
>> >>>>>>> current
>> >>>>>>>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and
excitement to get
>> >>>> this
>> >>>>>>>>> released, but there are currently clearly some
bigger issues
>> with
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> proposed RC in terms of translations.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the
most serious
>> issues
>> >>>> are
>> >>>>>>>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will
cause problems
>> for
>> >>>>>>>> (perhaps
>> >>>>>>>>> a minor part of ) the users.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried
that this will
>> lead
>> >>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming
from Apache
>> Flex to
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> users.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> kind regards,
>> >>>>>>>>> Christophe
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes...please, release....
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.developer@gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Release, release, release!!!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> -omar
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik
de Bruin wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I
see the implications. That's
>> why
>> >>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update
AFTER this release, to adress
>> >>>> this
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll
enter your fix into the
>> source
>> >>>>>>>> this
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!)
release candidates, a kind
>> of
>> >>>>>>>> 'vote
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this
I mean that if we do another
>> RC,
>> >>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes
just because people will
>> not
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and
again, and again).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use
the votes we now have to do
>> a
>> >>>>>>>>> release.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> EdB
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM,
Stefan Horochovec
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer
in operating systems that
>> >>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> language
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> available on Installer and that
is different from en_US,
>> >>>>>>> however,
>> >>>>>>>>>> have to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be done the process of changing
the language of the
>> installer
>> >>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>> en_US.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't
change the language to
>> en_US,
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> installation dont work.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry,
in portuguese):
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de
download do SDK a partir do CGI.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache
Flex
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório
temporário
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Instalação abortada
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 -
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 -
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 -
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 -
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very
critical problem, a time may
>> come
>> >>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> affect
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a large number of people.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution!
As we discussed, I'll look
>> >>>>>>> into
>> >>>>>>>>> your
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can,
and I'm sure they will prove
>> valid
>> >>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if
we do an update soon, lack of true
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't
be a deal breaker for this
>> first
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at
5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My first test was done
in an environment in English, but
>> >>>>>>> when I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> changed
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language
(Portuguese), to test the
>> >>>>>>> translations,
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> result
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not good.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined
which license will be accepted,
>> >>>>>>> just
>> >>>>>>>> no
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> option
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left appears only
when the switch is made the selected
>> >>>>>>>>>> language.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ex:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change to english, and
then go back to my default
>> language.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug
in JIRA, and also submitted a patch
>> >>>>>>> (which
>> >>>>>>>> if
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> causes the installer
to load the translation of default
>> >>>>>>>> language
>> >>>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer and then load
the installation user's language,
>> so
>> >>>>>>>> when
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some text missing will
interface with all texts, some not
>> >>>>>>>>>> translated.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This whole environment
is only valid when the Installer is
>> >>>>>>>>> launched
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> on an
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system that
contains a translation and the same
>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>> detected
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> by
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the installer before
being read keys for translation into
>> >>>>>>>>> English.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one
more day for Dave Fisher to vote here.
>> >>>>>>> After
>> >>>>>>>>>> that I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread
on general.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18,
2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton <
>> >>>>>>>>>> cframpto@adobe.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
>> >>>>>>>>>> Director de Tecnología
>> >>>>>>>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> >>>>>>>>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.directwriter.es
>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.avant2.es
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> Christophe Herreman
>> >>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com
>> >>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>> >>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Alex Harui
>> >>>> Flex SDK Team
>> >>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>> >>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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>>
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