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From Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7
Date Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:17:18 GMT
Alex

What AIR version you are running?


Stefan Horochovec



2012/10/19 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>

> Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue.
>
>
> On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these points:
> >
> > 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get more
> > involvement?
> > 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they review
> > the dev-list and see this issue?
> > 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away
> with a
> > follow-up point release
> > 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to reproduce
> it.
> > 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new Apache
> Flex
> > SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now.
> >
> > To me, 7 RC's is not a lot.  Sometimes, important bugs get found late in
> the
> > game.  Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPMC
> votes
> > on an RC8.  However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes and I
> > don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if it
> > isn't handling strings properly.
> >
> >
> > On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello everybody,
> >>
> >> The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my last
> >> email, that information may be contained on the page to access the
> >> Installer.
> >>
> >> I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the same
> >> opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where he said:
> >>
> >> "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead to
> >> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to the
> >> users."
> >>
> >> But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being
> awaited
> >> for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new Apache
> Flex
> >> SDK.
> >>
> >> Erik and Om
> >>
> >> I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translations of
> >> languages available today, and put them separate group with all the
> >> messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to make
> it
> >> easier to find what should be done the translation, because when you
> add a
> >> new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each
> >> language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time.
> >>
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Stefan Horochovec
> >>
> >>
> >> 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herreman@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release often
> and
> >>> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right.
> >>>
> >>> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess.
> >>>
> >>> +1 (binding)
> >>>
> >>> regards,
> >>> Christophe
> >>>
> >>> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>> This issue will be fixed in the next release.
> >>>>
> >>>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay a
> release
> >>>> till we get everything perfect.  We will never release anything if we
> >>> wait
> >>>> to fix every issue that we discover.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security
> >>>> implications.  We cannot delay the release any longer especially
> after so
> >>>> many people have voted for the release.
> >>>>
> >>>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap.  We
> will be
> >>>> making a follow up release soon.  Also, we are shipping with an auto
> >>> update
> >>>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent releases for
> >>> sure.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Om
> >>>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" <
> >>>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's
> >>> current
> >>>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to get
this
> >>>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues with
the
> >>>>> proposed RC in terms of translations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious issues
> are
> >>>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems for
> >>>> (perhaps
> >>>>> a minor part of ) the users.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead
> to
> >>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex
to
> the
> >>>>> users.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> kind regards,
> >>>>> Christophe
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes...please, release....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.developer@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>> Release, release, release!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -omar
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Stefan,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications.
That's why I
> >>>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release,
to adress this
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix into
the source
> >>>> this
> >>>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates,
a kind of
> >>>> 'vote
> >>>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if we do
another RC, I
> >>>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because people
will not
> >>>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now have
to do a
> >>>>> release.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> EdB
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec
> >>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Erik
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating
systems that
> >>> have
> >>>>>>>> language
> >>>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different from
en_US,
> >>> however,
> >>>>>> have to
> >>>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language of
the installer
> >>> for
> >>>>>> en_US.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the language
to en_US,
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>> installation dont work.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese):
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK a partir
do CGI.
> >>>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache Flex
> >>>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário
> >>>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório temporário
> >>>>>>>>> Instalação abortada
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 1 -
> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png
> >>>>>>>>> 2 -
> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png
> >>>>>>>>> 3 -
> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png
> >>>>>>>>> 4 -
> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem,
a time may come
> >>>> that
> >>>>>>>> affect
> >>>>>>>>> a large number of people.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Stefan,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we discussed,
I'll look
> >>> into
> >>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure they
will prove valid
> >>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> useful.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update soon,
lack of true
> >>>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal breaker
for this first
> >>>>>>>>>> release?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> EdB
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec
> >>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> -1
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment
in English, but
> >>> when I
> >>>>>>>> changed
> >>>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese), to
test the
> >>> translations,
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> result
> >>>>>>>>>>> was not good.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license
will be accepted,
> >>> just
> >>>> no
> >>>>>>>> option
> >>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch is
made the selected
> >>>>>> language.
> >>>>>>>> Ex:
> >>>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back to my
default language.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also submitted
a patch
> >>> (which
> >>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>> accepted)
> >>>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation
of default
> >>>> language
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation
user's language, so
> >>>> when
> >>>>>>>> getting
> >>>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with all
texts, some not
> >>>>>> translated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid when
the Installer is
> >>>>> launched
> >>>>>>>> on an
> >>>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation
and the same is
> >>>>>> detected
> >>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys for
translation into
> >>>>> English.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave Fisher
to vote here.
> >>>  After
> >>>>>> that I
> >>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Om
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol
Frampton <
> >>>>>> cframpto@adobe.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> >>>>>> Director de Tecnología
> >>>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >>>>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
> >>>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> >>>>>> http://www.directwriter.es
> >>>>>> http://www.avant2.es
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Christophe Herreman
> >>>>> http://www.herrodius.com
> >>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
> >>>>> http://www.as3commons.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Christophe Herreman
> >>> http://www.herrodius.com
> >>> http://www.springactionscript.org
> >>> http://www.as3commons.org
> >>>
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
>

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