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From Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7
Date Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:18:37 GMT
Hans,

Can you please create a JIRA ticket with your "functionality" remarks
(below)? I will start work on this soon after the release of v 1.0,
and having this all at hand in JIRA will help me a lot.

Thanks,

EdB



> Here is what I found for the functionality:
> - The name of the application looks kinda weird: "InstallApacheFlex". Can't we just change
this to "Apache Flex Installer", and maybe even put it default in a "Apache Flex" folder (since
I think this is only a until, and not really a very important standalone application).
> - The disclaimer button does not perform any action, it is just a link to the disclaimer.
So I believe from a usability viewing point, this should be a LinkButton instead of a Button,
right?
> - I think the "SHOW LOG" button should not be inside the application, but rather be a
NativeMenuItem.
> - For the licenses, is it really necessary to agree on all of them separately? (I think
this has been discussed before, but I thought I'd just mention it in case it wasn't).
>
> Also, the design does indeed need to be cleaned up a little bit (the buttons don't always
rescale -- for instance when you switch to Dutch, the "Install" button says "Install…" because
the button's label isn't rescaling).
> If I find the time I will try to have a look at it more and discuss it.
>
> I hope I didn't repeat anything that what was said before too much.
>
> H.
>
> Hans Van den Keybus | dotdotcommadot.com
> Mail: hans@dotdotcommadot.com
> Phone: 0032 (0) 486 16 30 69
>
> On 20-okt.-2012, at 02:37, Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well
>>
>> You can see this video, I'm recording to show how the bug happen
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AlmwX75RqM
>>
>>
>> Stefan Horochovec
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/10/19 Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> What AIR version you are running?
>>>
>>>
>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/10/19 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>
>>>
>>>> Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these
>>>> points:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get more
>>>>> involvement?
>>>>> 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they
>>>> review
>>>>> the dev-list and see this issue?
>>>>> 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away
>>>> with a
>>>>> follow-up point release
>>>>> 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to
>>>> reproduce it.
>>>>> 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new Apache
>>>> Flex
>>>>> SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, 7 RC's is not a lot.  Sometimes, important bugs get found late
>>>> in the
>>>>> game.  Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPMC
>>>> votes
>>>>> on an RC8.  However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes and
>>>> I
>>>>> don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if
it
>>>>> isn't handling strings properly.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my
last
>>>>>> email, that information may be contained on the page to access the
>>>>>> Installer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the
same
>>>>>> opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where he said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead
to
>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex
to the
>>>>>> users."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being
>>>> awaited
>>>>>> for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new Apache
>>>> Flex
>>>>>> SDK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erik and Om
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translations
>>>> of
>>>>>> languages available today, and put them separate group with all the
>>>>>> messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to
>>>> make it
>>>>>> easier to find what should be done the translation, because when
you
>>>> add a
>>>>>> new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each
>>>>>> language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herreman@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release
>>>> often and
>>>>>>> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I
guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 (binding)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> Christophe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This issue will be fixed in the next release.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot
delay a
>>>> release
>>>>>>>> till we get everything perfect.  We will never release anything
if we
>>>>>>> wait
>>>>>>>> to fix every issue that we discover.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security
>>>>>>>> implications.  We cannot delay the release any longer especially
>>>> after so
>>>>>>>> many people have voted for the release.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap.
 We
>>>> will be
>>>>>>>> making a follow up release soon.  Also, we are shipping with
an auto
>>>>>>> update
>>>>>>>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent
releases for
>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Om
>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" <
>>>>>>>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer
in it's
>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement
to get
>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger
issues with
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> proposed RC in terms of translations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious
issues
>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause
problems for
>>>>>>>> (perhaps
>>>>>>>>> a minor part of ) the users.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that
this will lead
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from
Apache Flex to
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>>>>> Christophe
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes...please, release....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.developer@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>> Release, release, release!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -omar
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications.
That's why
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this
release, to adress
>>>> this
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your
fix into the source
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release
candidates, a kind of
>>>>>>>> 'vote
>>>>>>>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that
if we do another RC,
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just
because people will not
>>>>>>>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again,
and again).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes
we now have to do a
>>>>>>>>> release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in
operating systems that
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different
from en_US,
>>>>>>> however,
>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language
of the installer
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> en_US.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change
the language to en_US,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation dont work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download
do SDK a partir do CGI.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache Flex
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório
temporário
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instalação abortada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical
problem, a time may come
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a large number of people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution!
As we discussed, I'll look
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm
sure they will prove valid
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an
update soon, lack of true
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be
a deal breaker for this first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM,
Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an
environment in English, but
>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>> changed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese),
to test the
>>>>>>> translations,
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which
license will be accepted,
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the
switch is made the selected
>>>>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ex:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go
back to my default language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA,
and also submitted a patch
>>>>>>> (which
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load
the translation of default
>>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation
user's language, so
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface
with all texts, some not
>>>>>>>>>> translated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only
valid when the Installer is
>>>>>>>>> launched
>>>>>>>>>>>> on an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains
a translation and the same is
>>>>>>>>>> detected
>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read
keys for translation into
>>>>>>>>> English.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day
for Dave Fisher to vote here.
>>>>>>> After
>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28
PM, Carol Frampton <
>>>>>>>>>> cframpto@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
>>>>>>>>>> Director de Tecnología
>>>>>>>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>>>>>>>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.directwriter.es
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.avant2.es
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman
>>>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com
>>>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>>>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman
>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com
>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alex Harui
>>>> Flex SDK Team
>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>



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