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From Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))
Date Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:30:49 GMT
I m not a fan of JS. But what would be the benefit ? Acceptance.
You have more JS  devs out there then ActionScript ones.  You target JS
devs you target millions and millions of Devs.
Look at Node.js success

Even the  java folks understood that the more language target the JVM the
better for the platform.
For Adobe it s always been ActionScript or nothing.I remember someone on
this list telling me that if it s not AS/MXML is not a Flex application.

Compare Flex/AS to C#, Java, JS in the enterprise and you will see that
Flex/AS still have a long way to go.

AS just add complexity to projects because you will have to use another
language in the backend.
So people tends to use  a more simple approach even if the underlying
technology is inferior to Flex.



What is the purpose to target flash player with JS ?

"But irrelevant in the Enterprise world."
Flex with ActionScript has already a very good place there.

"ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it"
There is free IDE for ActionScript and non free IDE for javascript, that's
 not a point, and not the main problem with flex by far!

The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to
target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework.

2012/10/19 sébastien Paturel <sebpatu.flex@gmail.com>

> But they never will :)
> This project must not expect anything new from Adobe except what it does
> already, except for very simple things for wich we can have a try.
>
>
> Le 19/10/2012 16:34, jun wu a écrit :
>
>  It will be great if Adobe buy out Sencha and then donate it to Apache.
>>
>> On 19 October 2012 22:29, jun wu <junwupsy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  But it might be the easiest way to make flex a real flexible tool and
>>> give
>>> a great many programers hope to stick to flex/as.
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2012 22:15, Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com
>>> >**wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello
>>>>
>>>> I dont think that is a good initiative to combine the Apache Flex SDK
>>>> with
>>>> a proprietary tool like Sencha.
>>>>
>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2012/10/19 jun wu <junwupsy@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>  Is it possible to build an AS/Flex framework just like ExtJS and Sencha
>>>>> Touch?
>>>>> If we have this framework, we can write and test AS codes in flash
>>>>>
>>>> builder
>>>>
>>>>> and public them as as/flex apps.
>>>>> And most importantly, we can easily translate this AS code to JS code
>>>>>
>>>> line
>>>>
>>>>> by line.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 October 2012 21:49, sébastien Paturel <sebpatu.flex@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  What is the purpose to target flash player with JS ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "But irrelevant in the Enterprise world."
>>>>>> Flex with ActionScript has already a very good place there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it"
>>>>>> There is free IDE for ActionScript and non free IDE for javascript,
>>>>>>
>>>>> that's
>>>>>
>>>>>>   not a point, and not the main problem with flex by far!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how
to
>>>>>> target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 19/10/2012 15:13, Alain Ekambi a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Crazy how people on this list always think  you have to do
>>>>>>
>>>>> ActionScript
>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> target Flash !
>>>>>>> People there s a JS binding inside the Flash Player. Meaning
anything
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>> compiles to JS (like Dart, Java, Scala, etc ..) can be used to write
>>>>>>> applications for the Flash platform.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Flash player is not the issue with Flex but more the  fact
that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> one
>>>>
>>>>> have to use ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>   it.
>>>>
>>>>> ActionScript is a good language. But irrelevant in the Enterprise
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> world.
>>>>
>>>>> 2012/10/19 João Saleiro <joao.saleiro.webfuel@gmail.****com<
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> joao.saleiro.webfuel@gmail.com**>
>>>>>
>>>>>>   I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>> Flex-like framework on top of Dart?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart
which
>>>>>>>> features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding,
UI
>>>>>>>> controls
>>>>>>>> among other interesting stuff. Take a look at these demos:
>>>>>>>> http://www.buckshotui.org/******sandbox/?demo=clock<http://www.buckshotui.org/****sandbox/?demo=clock>
>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.buckshotui.org/****sandbox/?demo=clock<http://www.buckshotui.org/**sandbox/?demo=clock>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://**www.buckshotui.org/**sandbox/?**demo=clock<http://www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?**demo=clock>
>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.buckshotui.org/**sandbox/?demo=clock<http://www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?demo=clock>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> featuring layouts, TabNavigators, Tree, Accordion, Slider,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RadioButton,
>>>>
>>>>> etc, running on any modern web-browser. As far as I know, this was
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> work
>>>>>>>> of one guy...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't take me wrong here: I still love actionscript. But
it doesn't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hurt
>>>>>
>>>>>> checking the new girl on the neighborhood -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.dartlang.org/ .
>>>>
>>>>> This girl reached M1 recently, and has a huge momentum right now (ML
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1690 members, for example).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> João Saleiro
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>

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