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From Hans | dotdotcommadot <h...@dotdotcommadot.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7
Date Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:03:54 GMT
Hm, I probably didn't..
Will have a look at it tonight, thx

On 22 Oct 2012, at 15:46, Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hans
> 
> I dont have any problem when I import the project for my workspace. You
> linked the common/src in your project?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Stefan Horochovec
> 
> 
> 
> 2012/10/22 Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
> 
>> Erik
>> 
>> You check the path that I send on
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223 ?
>> 
>> I believe this bug can be happening in different ways, since the MacOS
>> environment with AIR 3.4 (Alex) the result was a little different from
>> mine. He did not return to the environment in Portuguese, and set it
>> manually to see the error.
>> 
>> My idea for fix this is the app read in first time the resources of the
>> default language of the installer, after, it loads the operating system
>> language of the user. This way the app will point the texts of the default
>> language when user language is not contained translating.
>> 
>> Stefan Horochovec
>> 
>> 
>> 2012/10/22 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
>> 
>>> Hans,
>>> 
>>> Can you please create a JIRA ticket with your "functionality" remarks
>>> (below)? I will start work on this soon after the release of v 1.0,
>>> and having this all at hand in JIRA will help me a lot.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> EdB
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Here is what I found for the functionality:
>>>> - The name of the application looks kinda weird: "InstallApacheFlex".
>>> Can't we just change this to "Apache Flex Installer", and maybe even put it
>>> default in a "Apache Flex" folder (since I think this is only a until, and
>>> not really a very important standalone application).
>>>> - The disclaimer button does not perform any action, it is just a link
>>> to the disclaimer. So I believe from a usability viewing point, this should
>>> be a LinkButton instead of a Button, right?
>>>> - I think the "SHOW LOG" button should not be inside the application,
>>> but rather be a NativeMenuItem.
>>>> - For the licenses, is it really necessary to agree on all of them
>>> separately? (I think this has been discussed before, but I thought I'd just
>>> mention it in case it wasn't).
>>>> 
>>>> Also, the design does indeed need to be cleaned up a little bit (the
>>> buttons don't always rescale -- for instance when you switch to Dutch, the
>>> "Install" button says "Install…" because the button's label isn't
>>> rescaling).
>>>> If I find the time I will try to have a look at it more and discuss it.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope I didn't repeat anything that what was said before too much.
>>>> 
>>>> H.
>>>> 
>>>> Hans Van den Keybus | dotdotcommadot.com
>>>> Mail: hans@dotdotcommadot.com
>>>> Phone: 0032 (0) 486 16 30 69
>>>> 
>>>> On 20-okt.-2012, at 02:37, Stefan Horochovec <
>>> stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Well
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can see this video, I'm recording to show how the bug happen
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AlmwX75RqM
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2012/10/19 Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What AIR version you are running?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider
these
>>>>>>> points:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work
and get
>>> more
>>>>>>>> involvement?
>>>>>>>> 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes
if they
>>>>>>> review
>>>>>>>> the dev-list and see this issue?
>>>>>>>> 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again
right
>>> away
>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>> follow-up point release
>>>>>>>> 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able
to
>>>>>>> reproduce it.
>>>>>>>> 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with
a new
>>> Apache
>>>>>>> Flex
>>>>>>>> SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> To me, 7 RC's is not a lot.  Sometimes, important bugs get
found
>>> late
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> game.  Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get
enough
>>> PPMC
>>>>>>> votes
>>>>>>>> on an RC8.  However, right now we are waiting on getting
IPMC votes
>>> and
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> don't know why they would vote just to get something out
the door
>>> if it
>>>>>>>> isn't handling strings properly.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <
>>> stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA
and in my
>>> last
>>>>>>>>> email, that information may be contained on the page
to access the
>>>>>>>>> Installer.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug.
I shared the
>>> same
>>>>>>>>> opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too.
Where he said:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that
this will
>>> lead to
>>>>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from
Apache Flex
>>> to the
>>>>>>>>> users."
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> But I also agree with you that we need this release which
is being
>>>>>>> awaited
>>>>>>>>> for so long, and for sure will help many people to have
the new
>>> Apache
>>>>>>> Flex
>>>>>>>>> SDK.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Erik and Om
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of
the
>>> translations
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> languages available today, and put them separate group
with all the
>>>>>>>>> messages. I would suggest this as the default for new
messages, to
>>>>>>> make it
>>>>>>>>> easier to find what should be done the translation, because
when
>>> you
>>>>>>> add a
>>>>>>>>> new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation
for
>>> each
>>>>>>>>> language. The work of comparing one by one consuming
too much time.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herreman@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we
need to release
>>>>>>> often and
>>>>>>>>>> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel
quite right.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is
justified I
>>> guess.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> +1 (binding)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Christophe
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This issue will be fixed in the next release.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but
we cannot delay a
>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>>> till we get everything perfect.  We will never
release anything
>>> if we
>>>>>>>>>> wait
>>>>>>>>>>> to fix every issue that we discover.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does
it have security
>>>>>>>>>>> implications.  We cannot delay the release any
longer especially
>>>>>>> after so
>>>>>>>>>>> many people have voted for the release.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The patch has been contributed and it will be
committed asap.  We
>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>>>>> making a follow up release soon.  Also, we are
shipping with an
>>> auto
>>>>>>>>>> update
>>>>>>>>>>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the
subsequent
>>> releases for
>>>>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Om
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman"
<
>>>>>>>>>>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release
the installer in
>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure"
and excitement to get
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> released, but there are currently clearly
some bigger issues
>>> with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed RC in terms of translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until
the most serious
>>> issues
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it
will cause problems
>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> (perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>> a minor part of ) the users.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried
that this will
>>> lead
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality
coming from Apache
>>> Flex to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christophe
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes...please, release....
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.developer@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release, release, release!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -omar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik
de Bruin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand the problem, and
I see the implications. That's
>>> why
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update
AFTER this release, to adress
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other known issues. In fact,
I'll enter your fix into the
>>> source
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7
(!) release candidates, a kind
>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> 'vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this
I mean that if we do another
>>> RC,
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think we might not get enough
votes just because people will
>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again
(and again, and again).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we
use the votes we now have to do
>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41
AM, Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's possible to run the
installer in operating systems that
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available on Installer and
that is different from en_US,
>>>>>>>>>> however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be done the process of changing
the language of the
>>> installer
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> en_US.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you try to install and
don't change the language to
>>> en_US,
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation dont work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry,
in portuguese):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL
de download do SDK a partir do CGI.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache
Flex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar
o diretório temporário
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instalação abortada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And here you can see the
steps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 -
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 -
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 -
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 -
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a
very critical problem, a time may
>>> come
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a large number of people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin
<erik@ixsoftware.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution!
As we discussed, I'll look
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I
can, and I'm sure they will prove
>>> valid
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you agree that
if we do an update soon, lack of true
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internationalisation
shouldn't be a deal breaker for this
>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012
at 5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My first test was
done in an environment in English, but
>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language
(Portuguese), to test the
>>>>>>>>>> translations,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In step where are
defined which license will be accepted,
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left appears
only when the switch is made the selected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ex:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change to english,
and then go back to my default
>>> language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug
in JIRA, and also submitted a patch
>>>>>>>>>> (which
>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> causes the installer
to load the translation of default
>>>>>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer and then
load the installation user's language,
>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some text missing
will interface with all texts, some not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> translated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This whole environment
is only valid when the Installer is
>>>>>>>>>>>> launched
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system
that contains a translation and the same
>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> detected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the installer before
being read keys for translation into
>>>>>>>>>>>> English.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one
more day for Dave Fisher to vote here.
>>>>>>>>>> After
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post the vote
thread on general.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18,
2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cframpto@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director de Tecnología
>>>>>>>>>>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>>>>>>>>>>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.directwriter.es
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.avant2.es
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Alex Harui
>>>>>>> Flex SDK Team
>>>>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>> 
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