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From Hans | dotdotcommadot <h...@dotdotcommadot.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7
Date Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:38:56 GMT
Hi Erik,

Sure thing.
I will create a ticket a ticket with all of my remarks this evening.
Also I had problems with checking out the source code (flex builder says it was missing common.swc
etc), so maybe I'll create a ticket for this as well, if it can be declared as a "bug".

Hans




On 22 Oct 2012, at 15:18, Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:

> Hans,
> 
> Can you please create a JIRA ticket with your "functionality" remarks
> (below)? I will start work on this soon after the release of v 1.0,
> and having this all at hand in JIRA will help me a lot.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> EdB
> 
> 
> 
>> Here is what I found for the functionality:
>> - The name of the application looks kinda weird: "InstallApacheFlex". Can't we just
change this to "Apache Flex Installer", and maybe even put it default in a "Apache Flex" folder
(since I think this is only a until, and not really a very important standalone application).
>> - The disclaimer button does not perform any action, it is just a link to the disclaimer.
So I believe from a usability viewing point, this should be a LinkButton instead of a Button,
right?
>> - I think the "SHOW LOG" button should not be inside the application, but rather
be a NativeMenuItem.
>> - For the licenses, is it really necessary to agree on all of them separately? (I
think this has been discussed before, but I thought I'd just mention it in case it wasn't).
>> 
>> Also, the design does indeed need to be cleaned up a little bit (the buttons don't
always rescale -- for instance when you switch to Dutch, the "Install" button says "Install…"
because the button's label isn't rescaling).
>> If I find the time I will try to have a look at it more and discuss it.
>> 
>> I hope I didn't repeat anything that what was said before too much.
>> 
>> H.
>> 
>> Hans Van den Keybus | dotdotcommadot.com
>> Mail: hans@dotdotcommadot.com
>> Phone: 0032 (0) 486 16 30 69
>> 
>> On 20-okt.-2012, at 02:37, Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> 
>>> Well
>>> 
>>> You can see this video, I'm recording to show how the bug happen
>>> 
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AlmwX75RqM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2012/10/19 Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>>> Alex
>>>> 
>>>> What AIR version you are running?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2012/10/19 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>
>>>> 
>>>>> Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these
>>>>> points:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get
more
>>>>>> involvement?
>>>>>> 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they
>>>>> review
>>>>>> the dev-list and see this issue?
>>>>>> 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right
away
>>>>> with a
>>>>>> follow-up point release
>>>>>> 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to
>>>>> reproduce it.
>>>>>> 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new
Apache
>>>>> Flex
>>>>>> SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To me, 7 RC's is not a lot.  Sometimes, important bugs get found
late
>>>>> in the
>>>>>> game.  Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough
PPMC
>>>>> votes
>>>>>> on an RC8.  However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes
and
>>>>> I
>>>>>> don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door
if it
>>>>>> isn't handling strings properly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in
my last
>>>>>>> email, that information may be contained on the page to access
the
>>>>>>> Installer.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared
the same
>>>>>>> opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where he
said:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will
lead to
>>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex
to the
>>>>>>> users."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But I also agree with you that we need this release which is
being
>>>>> awaited
>>>>>>> for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new
Apache
>>>>> Flex
>>>>>>> SDK.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Erik and Om
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translations
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> languages available today, and put them separate group with all
the
>>>>>>> messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages,
to
>>>>> make it
>>>>>>> easier to find what should be done the translation, because when
you
>>>>> add a
>>>>>>> new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for
each
>>>>>>> language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much
time.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herreman@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to
release
>>>>> often and
>>>>>>>> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified
I guess.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> +1 (binding)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>> Christophe
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This issue will be fixed in the next release.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot
delay a
>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>> till we get everything perfect.  We will never release
anything if we
>>>>>>>> wait
>>>>>>>>> to fix every issue that we discover.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have
security
>>>>>>>>> implications.  We cannot delay the release any longer
especially
>>>>> after so
>>>>>>>>> many people have voted for the release.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed
asap.  We
>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>>> making a follow up release soon.  Also, we are shipping
with an auto
>>>>>>>> update
>>>>>>>>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent
releases for
>>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Om
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" <
>>>>>>>>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer
in it's
>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement
to get
>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger
issues with
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> proposed RC in terms of translations.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most
serious issues
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause
problems for
>>>>>>>>> (perhaps
>>>>>>>>>> a minor part of ) the users.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that
this will lead
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from
Apache Flex to
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Christophe
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes...please, release....
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.developer@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Release, release, release!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -omar
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the
implications. That's why
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER
this release, to adress
>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter
your fix into the source
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release
candidates, a kind of
>>>>>>>>> 'vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean
that if we do another RC,
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just
because people will not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again,
and again).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the
votes we now have to do a
>>>>>>>>>> release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan
Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer
in operating systems that
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is
different from en_US,
>>>>>>>> however,
>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the
language of the installer
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> en_US.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change
the language to en_US,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation dont work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download
do SDK a partir do CGI.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache Flex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório
temporário
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instalação abortada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 -
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 -
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 -
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 -
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical
problem, a time may come
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a large number of people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution!
As we discussed, I'll look
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and
I'm sure they will prove valid
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do
an update soon, lack of true
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't
be a deal breaker for this first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18
AM, Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in
an environment in English, but
>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese),
to test the
>>>>>>>> translations,
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined
which license will be accepted,
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when
the switch is made the selected
>>>>>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ex:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then
go back to my default language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA,
and also submitted a patch
>>>>>>>> (which
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load
the translation of default
>>>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the
installation user's language, so
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface
with all texts, some not
>>>>>>>>>>> translated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is
only valid when the Installer is
>>>>>>>>>> launched
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains
a translation and the same is
>>>>>>>>>>> detected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the installer before being
read keys for translation into
>>>>>>>>>> English.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more
day for Dave Fisher to vote here.
>>>>>>>> After
>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread
on general.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012
at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton <
>>>>>>>>>>> cframpto@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
>>>>>>>>>>> Director de Tecnología
>>>>>>>>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>>>>>>>>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.directwriter.es
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.avant2.es
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman
>>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com
>>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
>>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alex Harui
>>>>> Flex SDK Team
>>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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