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From sébastien Paturel <sebpatu.f...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Any news about FalconJS donation? (was: Financing the Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Design View AIR App))
Date Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:24:37 GMT
Great news, thanks Alex :)

Le 05/10/2012 16:27, Alex Harui a écrit :
> FalconJS is not under development.  A prototype was built several months
> ago, but no serious work has been done on it since.  I should be able to
> start on its legal review next week.
>
>
> On 10/5/12 7:06 AM, "filippo dipisa" <filippo@dipisa.net> wrote:
>
>> FOr what I understand falco js is still under development and there is just
>> one resource on it so don't hope on it.
>> Please correct me if I am wrong.
>> Here there is a good solution if you want  to use as to create js apps
>>
>> http://www.jangaroo.net/home/
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 October 2012 14:53, sébastien Paturel <sebpatu.flex@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Following the HTML5 targetting discussion
>>> is there any news about the FalconJS donation, as we now have Falcon
>>> donated, it shoudl be next?
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 05/10/2012 15:46, Charles Monteiro a écrit :
>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if most in this group are more interested about targeting
>>>> html5 than air because it seems to me it would be hard to do both well.
>>>>
>>>> I want to run on AIR.
>>>>    On Oct 5, 2012 9:38 AM, "sébastien Paturel" <sebpatu.flex@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   I agree with others that you should abandone the idea that Adobe could
>>>>> get
>>>>> Catalyst back from the dead.
>>>>> They have been pretty clear about it, and the open sourcing is not an
>>>>> option because of code dependencies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your only chance to see catalyst come back from Adobe, is to make Apache
>>>>> Flex te best framework for HTML5 runtime!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 04/10/2012 00:48, Sebastian Mohr a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>   @christofer dutz ... thanks for sharing your thoughts. +1 from my side!
>>>>>> Flash Catalyst CS5.5 is a charm for interaction designers like me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely Yours,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sebastian Mohr
>>>>>> Apache Flex Developer (PPMC),
>>>>>> Interaction Designer & Musician
>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/****masuland<http://www.linkedin.com/in/**masul
>>>>>> and>
>>>>>>
> <http://www.linkedin.**com/in/masuland<http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2012, at 7:21 PM, christofer.dutz@c-ware.de wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Well isn't it usually that way around?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I create some general UI scetches using some tools like blamiq
mockups
>>>>>>> and deal with negoitating the functionallity with my customers.
As
>>>>>>> soon as
>>>>>>> the component works as desired I go "pimp my app" and give it
to a
>>>>>>> designer
>>>>>>> to have it pimped.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using Catalyst this was really easy (As soon as you had a desiger
at
>>>>>>> hand that was used to it and it's concepts). I was even able
to let the
>>>>>>> designer skin a running application deployed by me somewhere
on the
>>>>>>> web, so
>>>>>>> I didn't have give away the code of the application itself or
setup the
>>>>>>> environment at the designers office. This workflow was the major
>>>>>>> breakthrough for me and was one of the major things that made
me shift
>>>>>>> allmost entirely to the Flex road.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a real pitty to have it dropped and wasted :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>> Von: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
>>>>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Oktober 2012 18:18
>>>>>>> An: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: AW: Financing the Design View AIR App (Was: Re:
Design
>>>>>>> View
>>>>>>> AIR App)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/3/12 7:38 AM, "christofer.dutz@c-ware.de" <
>>>>>>> christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Oh ... let me thow in a little more weight for the Catalyst
;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I invested quite some time in setting up a project structure
that
>>>>>>>> allowed me to concentrate on developing (Using an ugly but
functional
>>>>>>>> developer Skin) and having professional Designers use Catalyst
to Skin
>>>>>>>> the application.
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately it seemed that the designers available on the
market
>>>>>>>> were all even less "finished" than the Catalyst project,
but as soon
>>>>>>>> as the designers got the hang of it, the results were pretty
>>>>>>>> sattisfying and I had what I was allways dreaming about:
Being able to
>>>>>>>> concentrate on the functionality and have a designer do all
the stuff
>>>>>>>> that sells the application (cool buttons, even greater effects
and
>>>>>>>> animated transitions, ...) :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would be really happy if Adobe didn't entirely drop this
tool, and
>>>>>>>> if they did, If they would somehow open-source it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    It is essentially "dropped".  See [1].   There are no
plans to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> opensource
>>>>>>> it.  It too had a lot of "baggage" that made it difficult to
implement.
>>>>>>>    For example, it really wasn't extensible as to what components
it
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> handle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The principle behind it (that you can take designer art and break
it
>>>>>>> down into components) is compelling, but I question whether it
remains
>>>>>>> valid in a world of dynamic UI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is also interesting to note that you used it in completely
different
>>>>>>> way than it was intended.  It was for a design-first-then-develop
>>>>>>> workflow
>>>>>>> and you did it the other way (which is what I do when I have
a choice
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> well).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/****flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html<http://www.
>>>>>>> adobe.com/devnet/**flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html>
>>>>>>> <**http://www.adobe.com/devnet/**flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html<http://www
>>>>>>> .adobe.com/devnet/flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Alex Harui
>>>>>>> Flex SDK Team
>>>>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>


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