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From Ashish Desai - Zootar <>
Subject Re: Apache Flex website codebase
Date Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:54:05 GMT
Sounds like a plan. Let me know your findings. I will also go through the CMS link you have
shared to understand how we can design the site to fit snugly with CMS.

Lets start page by page. Let's see how much re-design it takes to get the index.html redrafted
to work with CMS. We can then make those changes and you can try running against CMS.

My firm is dedicated to the Apache Flex project and will continue to devote as much time as
we can to support the community.

Looking forward to working with you too:-)!

Ashish Desai
Zootar LLP

On Sep 16, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Erik de Bruin <> wrote:

> Ashish,
>> Please see my comments inline. A also very easy route would be somebody voting me
in as a committer. Don't like to ask it out, but I think I have dedicated considerable time
and my resources to the cause.
> I sympathise and agree. Not very long ago I was in exactly your
> position. Patience and perseverance is what will get you the
> nomination, I was told. I didn't like it, but I stuck with it because
> I cared about the project and in the end I was voted in. Do not
> despair!
>>> for limitations of the CMS.
>>        a. We can do much better. As long as design changes do not dwarf the functionality
at use, we can consider making as many changes we can creatively think of.
> I'm not so sure. Although we can use every technology for building
> websites we want, there are limitations to what we can implement
> without losing the advantages of having an CMS. And I'm sure we don't
> want to do lose the CMS functionality as it is an important tool for
> the community to easily update and/or contribute content to the site.
>>> everyone can keep an eye on each others work.
>>        b. Not sure what a reference design means. Is it the HTML templates like the
one I just uploaded or something else.
> In this context I meant reference design in the sense that it's a
> fully developed site, but one which isn't running of the Apache CMS.
> The actual project site (which does run of the CMS) tries to implement
> the design and content of the reference design as best as the
> limitations of the CMS allow for. Any features that the CMS can't
> handle will have to be redone in the reference design is such a manner
> that the implementation can match.
>>> effective templating will certainly help in that regard as well).
>>        c. Completely disagree. JQuery is an enterprise standard and with the right
balance makes great products.
> I wasn't arguing the merits of jQuery. I know it well. And I dislike
> it. That's all. The point I was trying to make is that the less
> knowledge anybody has to bring to the table if they want to update,
> edit or re-design the project site, the better (hence the decision by
> Apache to run the project sites of an CMS, with a primary focus on the
> use of the MarkDown markup language). So, since jQuery adds an extra
> layer of complexity to the equation, I would argue against using it.
> And as I said, the design (IMHO) doesn't need any of the bells and
> whistles jQuery offers, it is very powerful without it already.
> I'll be using the coming days (maybe week(s)) to get a feel for your
> design and how we can best make it fit within the confines of the CMS.
> I'll share my finding with you and the list. You can decide if you are
> willing and able to make the changes needed in order to make it work
> with the Apache CMS. And I look forward to working with you to making
> the Apache Flex project site a showcase for an Apache project site and
> a great place from which to launch the the Apache Flex evangelism
> efforts!
> EdB
> -- 
> Ix Multimedia Software
> Jan Luykenstraat 27
> 3521 VB Utrecht
> T. 06-51952295
> I.

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