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[108.198.250.178]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k6sm2023465igz.9.2012.06.15.12.17.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FDB8A4C.2090304@dot-com-it.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:17:32 -0400 From: Jeffry Houser Reply-To: jeffry@dot-com-it.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Painful story... References: <4FDB3B41.8000107@gmail.com> <4FDB4075.5070108@dot-com-it.com> <4FDB5599.2030609@dot-com-it.com> <4FDB7959.6000001@dot-com-it.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnAIcA3GtVmLL9aRWEw3QNEaOyGGy8gMTgLFSNxuGHPPtRzeoPae2HzuzQTHiHR2lJc+wUG X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 6/15/2012 2:28 PM, Doug McCune wrote: >> I agree there is benefit to debating various options and alternatives. I >> disagree that this list is the place for such discussions, as such >> discussions are unrelated to the development of the Flex SDK. >> > I guess my concern is that the people contributing to the Flex SDK will > essentially put heir head in the sand when it comes to alternative tech. Looking at the list of Flex Contributors / PPMC Members; I do not think that is a concern worthy of your time. I'd consider many of them as technologists who have a strong breadth of experience well beyond Flex. > Additionally, I think the core SDK > contributors should consider it part of their "job" to educate the wider > community and be able to intelligently articulate the pros and cons of Flex > (layout being one of those items), which inherently requires an > understanding of the alternatives to Flex. My "Job" is to run a business that builds custom software for varying clients. My participation in Apache Flex is only tangentially related to my job. It is, in essence, something I do in my spare time. With a few exceptions, I do not believe I am unique in that. I do not want to spend that "Spare" time educating people on the pros and cons of Flex. If others do; more power to them. > As another semi-unrelated example, which I think is very appropriate for > this list: Apple just announced a new layout model and list collection > stuff in iOS 6. From what I understand, this is *very* much like using > DataGroup and item renderers in Flex. It supports virtualized elements, > custom layouts, etc. The way in which this is implemented should be > well-understood by anyone working on the Flex SDK. I'd hope that this forum > would be a good place to have that discussion. If you want to compare contract the iOS 6 approach with the Flex approach; with the intent of modifying the Flex SDK in some manner; then I'm all for it. If you want to dissect the iOS 6 approach just for the sake of learning or understanding; this list is not the place for it. If you want to do a compare/contract of iOS 6 approach and the Flex approach just for the fun of it; this list isn't the place for it. > But > I really want to avoid any kind of blanket "this topic is inappropriate for > this forum" response unless the topic *really* is inappropriate. Well, as this is a moderate-to-high traffic list; I do want it to not become a general purpose purpose list. If it doesn't relate to development of the Apache Flex SDK; take it elsewhere. There is a user list, which I presume, will be a bit more liberal in it's focus. -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust