From flex-dev-return-8657-apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Jun 5 00:36:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D3364CD80 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 3549 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jun 2012 00:36:23 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 3490 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jun 2012 00:36:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact flex-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 3481 invoked by uid 99); 5 Jun 2012 00:36:23 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:36:22 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_NEUTRAL,TO_NO_BRKTS_PCNT X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: 209.85.160.47 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of rsantos@spectacompany.com.br) Received: from [209.85.160.47] (HELO mail-pb0-f47.google.com) (209.85.160.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:36:16 +0000 Received: by pbbrq2 with SMTP id rq2so6929687pbb.6 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:35:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=Ec4dvVnUugM3oimNb9Hw9Mj/Uf7hPTNQbzSvsIKNefQ=; b=UblnCnHZPd3Fi7dNTZ9VGo0vphOtwbHGKAOqV5VI6gnSl6d9tafvRQPsyZhZvvcSEv KykDkKbydfYnTxb5nObw50QY8VdIAZyzrqE24pKivCyC+ngk+KWJq4a2y1T4GnzEbj6i 1P3WKiL0sNYHzMVRxC03hGGyo9iHXhm/EfYrZFpHtJE+Yuz4l9S5OkrfvHjjvE3p086C VKd8YppgCNCz6V/uNOkaXGsQsam107CMl0/iUqp6aRYOCZ/IqHKdyJRUGflhXNeAM/v7 q3yECiV2JRiSuITdHyuLes8mJBH+tPywEkurkqouhKFKJIka8cT2DMjwV01S6/14EBUs F7lQ== Received: by 10.68.213.102 with SMTP id nr6mr44538070pbc.112.1338856555844; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:35:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.229.231 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:35:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Rafael Santos Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 21:35:35 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Review after first months of Apache Flex, new guidelines and keeping Flex alive To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1ca326a955704c1aed5ab X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlpmzLFkJqkw843BkOlieKA7w5stbMRkyqT4AMi+3XclAss/tu/blQ1lZgE2DIEiufd2UzT X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --e89a8ff1ca326a955704c1aed5ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey everyone, Sorry for not being around and helping more the community in the last few months. My company (Specta) is still 100% engaged to Apache Flex and its community, although we are still behind on latest Flex version on most of our Apps. I would like to provoke a discussion that I know that might make some of you angry.... "Will we be able to keep Flex alive from its migration period from Adobe to Apache?" I see that the community has been having some difficulties regarding: - getting sources from Adobe - some libraries that have not been committed yet - the new compiler that we could be helping - getting Adobe folks engaged enough to make this migration happen - getting a life and identity of our own - getting it all to work and get independent from Adobe (I see that the first builds are being generated) - future support from Adobe with Flash Player on other platforms - I went to a Firefox workshop this weekend and Firefox representatives told me that Adobe has abandoned Firefox for quite some time and they have been focusing only on Chrome (cause Google is paying for it) - We are attached to an application that could die at anytime as have already happened Flash Catalyst, Flash Player Debugger for Linux and others. As we know Adobe has a serious lack of communication. I am also worried about: - there is a really fast movement from people that loved Flex to technologies such as javascript + html5 + css3, including some core people from Apache Flex. - some flex projects are becoming ghosts (no commits for quite some time) - blogs about flex are dying or moving to other technologies I would like to hear from the core team and everyone on the community... I want know what are you thinking and hear some suggestions on how we can make this happen and how to address this issues... how can we show everyone that we are still alive and that it is worth working with Flex. I have some ideas of my own but I would like to start the debate without compromising the answers. Just to finish.... I have nothing against Adobe, actually I used to love everything about Adobe, but they have been making some very bad decisions.... Maybe good for them but definitely not for some of us.... Regards, Rafael Santos --e89a8ff1ca326a955704c1aed5ab--