Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A1E1B99DA for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 61981 invoked by uid 500); 18 Apr 2012 23:16:03 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 61949 invoked by uid 500); 18 Apr 2012 23:16:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact flex-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 61941 invoked by uid 99); 18 Apr 2012 23:16:02 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:16:02 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [46.4.95.124] (HELO root.dashart-ns.de) (46.4.95.124) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:15:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (root.dashart-ns.de.local [127.0.0.1]) by root.dashart-ns.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0866E223ED for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:15:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from root.dashart-ns.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (root.dashart-ns.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00698-04 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:15:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.24] (146-52-82-175-dynip.superkabel.de [146.52.82.175]) (Authenticated sender: flexml@dashart.de) by root.dashart-ns.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F1EBBE22174 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:15:32 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: bay area folks and flash From: Konstantin Elstner In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:15:32 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1334683836.40303.YahooMailNeo@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9C42B6DF-BBAA-40EE-BD22-0FF7E34D4E52@adobe.com> <1CD268A1-EB81-4354-82B1-52556233150F@tink.ws> <129A09B5-0EBB-4C1A-8C98-E2C9BB481CA4@adobe.com> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hi, at first, I think the way to send flash runtime evangelists to a world = wide tour is a good step. But the negative point is, that you are only showing demos, we all have = already seen. The informations you have provided are all facts, which we already can = read in the whitepapers. But we need clear future informations. A speech like we are focusing on this, and when we will optimize this is = nice, is okay. But not really more I think. Since the PR disaster around the stop of development of Flash Player = mobile, everybody in the management of our client companies is thinking flash = and AIR is a sinking ship. To have the possibility to argue against this we need more exact = informations. There are 2 points, which are very important for us: 1. Please update monthly the adobe site about the flash player = penetration, this is one of the primary fact for every decision maker. 2. Adobe is telling since around 2 months, that there are discussions = with Microsoft, about AIR support in Windows 8 RT, whats the progress? Since the start of this your I heard from our clients the question about = flash player penetration more often when ever ago, when I answer, there are no new informations about this from Adobe, the = most clients are thinking for there self: Okay flash is dead and Adobe is afraid of publishing the actual stats. Like: You can not not communicate. Additional tablet pcs are the future, there is a big push from the = html5-based native apps like sencha and phonegap. If a client today thinks about starting a new project, he want to use a = technic with a feature and the future is cross device. So the future of AIR, I think, is coupled with support of Windows 8 RT. Without a wide range of supported devices / OS's I see no really future = for AIR, Flash and so also Flex. The information are requested in blogs, at the forums and at the Flash = Runtime events, but there was never any answer from Adobe. So it seems for us and our clients, like Adobe will, that we struggle = through the fog.=