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From "Frank Pepermans" <frankp...@hotmail.com>
Subject Re: Halo x Spark
Date Sat, 24 Mar 2012 07:13:02 GMT
Spark has a lot of potential and for me personally, I never went back to 
Flex 3.x mx skinning.

But your complaints are valid of course, simple skinning tasks can be very 
cumbersome and 'visualizing' MXML code as you type it can be quite hard,
I briefly tried Catalyst but didn't end up using it, plus Catalyst really 
needed to be part of Flash Builder in Eclipse from day one.

However my main concern with Spark is performance,
in my current project, I ended up rewriting many MXML skins to AS skins, 
which Adobe also did for mobile, and the performance gain is brutal.

Having a skin as an AS class is obviously not a preferred choice, plus you 
lose all the nice perks of an MXML skin such as color.over = value for 
example.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Williams Farias
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 5:37 AM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Halo x Spark

And my final question is: why just not mix them?

I belive in 'superable' comment. I know that Spark has great advantages.
But Halo is so much simple! So, why just mix them? take the best of their
too... and make a HaloSpark all in one architeture. Man, imagine if your
client dont need a insanely custom skin... just need a simple custom
scrollbar! In Halo, 5 minutes: open Flash, draw it literally with your
hands... and thats it. Spark... code... code and more code on blind view.

I havent seen any insanely Spark skinning exemple so far...

2012/3/24 Williams Farias <will.farias@gmail.com>

> Ok, so please show me a great example with Spark skinning, with really
> custom components... and of course, with source code... like that:
> http://fleksray.org/skins/scribble/Scribble.html
>
> If you see the source code, you´ll se the simplicity, its ridiculous, just
> CSS and images.
>
> Its not about what the technology can do... its about who will use it and
> whith what ammount of work? Man, developers usually dont do design... they
> only code the things... acess databases and so on. Spark components dont
> have so much impressive skinning examples, in my point of view, because of
> that: designers where excluded from skinning components! So, if only
> hardcode developders can do it... what meters if it´s the best whay? if
> nobody will use it... I what just to see an exemple, with source code with
> a great custom skin...
>
> If you have, please show me.
>
>
>
> 2012/3/23 superabe superabe <superabe@gmail.com>
>
>> I disagree. I think Spark skinning was the best thing to happen to Flex.
>> It makes it possible to do some insanely custom skins that I would have
>> shuddered to think about attempting to do with Halo
>>
>> Yes it makes it harder to simply style based skinning initially, but if
>> you
>> use that a lot, its possible to build that style support in in your core
>> component class, once and then reuse.
>> It's a tradeoff that I am completely happy to make.
>>
>> One important piece to skinning in Spark is to understand the Catalyst
>> workflow.
>> I realize the product itself is discontinued, but even at the state its
>> in,
>> it great for taking assets from designers and generating FXG graphics or
>> even mxml skin code, that you can then use in your Flex app.
>>
>> superabe
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Richard Oren <roren007@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I am not sure what you were trying to do... but with a little bit of
>> > research you should have been able to still use Flex 4 for your 
>> > project.
>> > There is a learning curve to get behind the concept so I have felt your
>> > pain before but if you stick with it it does get somewhat easier. I 
>> > have
>> > had to resort back to OLD school ways and Draw a lot of graphical stuff
>> for
>> > Mobile Development with the Drawing API, but for desktop stuff you
>> should
>> > be able to go with MXML.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> http://blog.flexexamples.com/2009/11/04/setting-a-custom-horizontal-scroll-bar-skin-on-a-spark-list-control-in-flex-4/
>> >
>> > Hang in there! You can Do it! :)
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Cortlandt Winters <
>> cort@cortwinters.net
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Will,
>> > >
>> > > I do have a prediction. And it's not a dire one.
>> > >
>> > > It's true what  you say, but though this is an area that the flex
>> > > components most need some TLC in, I'm confident that it's the one 
>> > > area
>> > that
>> > > it's most likely to get it.
>> > >
>> > > As for predictions, I predict that Adobe will do what it said it will
>> do
>> > > and it will leave Flex "5?" in a pretty stable state. It will take
>> some
>> > > time for folk to get familiar with the apache process and the
>> framework
>> > and
>> > > to determine how to deal with scrolling on mobile apps that have a
>> whole
>> > > new level of performance requirement, but that there are going to be
>> > plenty
>> > > of opportunities to make both web based apps easy to skin and mobile
>> ones
>> > > performant.
>> > >
>> > > The toughest part about taking flex and making it open source is that
>> > most
>> > > flex users are not component developers, they are end user app
>> > developers,
>> > > but as far as folk that are comfortable with styling and skinning
>> there
>> > > should be a lot of easily available expertise to create a good 
>> > > system.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Williams Farias <
>> will.farias@gmail.com
>> > > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Greatings everyone,
>> > > >
>> > > > I´d like to know why does Spark skining is so dificult to get a
>> simple
>> > > > result.
>> > > >
>> > > > I´m building now a web application and I need just to skin the
>> > ScrollBar.
>> > > > Ok, in Flex3 i just open my Flash CS5, create a new Symbol and
>> "Export
>> > > for
>> > > > actionscript". Then i just add 4 new lines in my CSS style code, 
>> > > > and
>> > its
>> > > > done. I have now a simple and 2 minuts made scrollbar.
>> > > >
>> > > > But in Spark component... ohhh, what a brutal work i´d had to
>> take...
>> > > > create a new Style... and put everything on the code... ohhh man,
>> > thats a
>> > > > really waste of time with hundreds of codes lines and without a
>> design
>> > > > interface to see how it looks like... in my opinion its too much
>> work
>> > for
>> > > > such a little result!
>> > > >
>> > > > Just because of that scrollbar man, i had to decide to use Flex 3
>> > insted
>> > > of
>> > > > 4!!! A simple and  mediocre scrollbar skin!
>> > > >
>> > > > I was wondering: how can the most simple thing to do in Flex could
>> be
>> > > > transformed in a bunch of lines and hard work as that scrolllBar
>> skin?
>> > > >
>> > > > If i could propose something to chance in the next releases of 
>> > > > Flex,
>> > is a
>> > > > mix of Halo and Spark Skins. I think that Flex3 skinning is much
>> more
>> > > > simple and intelligent to do.
>> > > >
>> > > > Antoher thing that frightened me was to read that Adobe will not
>> update
>> > > > more the Design View of Flash Builder! Does Apacge group have any
>> > > > prediction about this?
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > >
>> > > > Williams Farias
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
> 


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