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From JP Bader>
Subject Re: Flash Player premium features
Date Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:18:19 GMT
Hey Mark,

One (actually two) slight correction(s):

'(the only source of revenue from flex for Adobe)'

1) Adobe made money off of consulting
2) Some of us made money off of how bad Adobe consulting was when we
had to go in and fix it.

Regardless, Adobe has made it clear what they are focusing in on for
the Flash player, and it is a very specific industry niche (video
streaming/gaming).  It is growing and should not be ignored, but it
is, IMO, limited in scope.  Flex is, IMHO, more utilitarian, with a
vision to the future that isn't (I hope) limited to games, but
available for any industry, any platform, and possibly (eventually)
any output format.

Adobe is saying they have a huge install base (much, much larger than
any console or browser video game base), and are trying to take
advantage of that.  I'm happy to hear they think they have a plan for
taking advantage of premium plans for making money on advanced
features that we, as Flex developers, may or may not use.  However the
inventor may not always see the greatest potential of their invention.
 Their marketing still is a fiasco, and I am glad I am not in that

That said, glad Adobe made an announcement, but that shouldn't affect
us as Apache.


On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Mark Fuqua <> wrote:
> I currently (and probably for the next few weeks), do all my Flex
> development for free...because I am still learning.  It is not something I
> plan or can do for long...but that's ok, because I can imagine a time in the
> very near future when I will be making money from Flex.  As much as I enjoy
> Flex, I need to make money.  Adobe might be exponentially larger than my
> tiny little company, but they are no different.
> Anything they can do to make money off the Flash platform is fine by me.
> Hell, if all us Flex developers had just bought a copy or two of Flash
> Builder Premium (the only source of revenue from flex for Adobe), they would
> probably still be actively investing in Flex and this mailing list would not
> exist.
> Adobe quit Flex and Flash for mobile for one reason and one reason
> only...they couldn't make enough money to justify the huge expense and they
> couldn't imagine a different scenario looking forward.
> They did it in a stupid, shoot yourself in the foot (and our feet too) way,
> but they really had little choice.  They were hemorrhaging money.
> Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Heidegger []
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:23 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Flash Player premium features
> Hi Giorgio,
> I honestly don't really care about it. As a web developer I am not getting
> Flash projects anyways due to last years marketing and because agencies like
> buzz words. As a app developer I do not care of this particular feature as I
> will not be affected (rarely a app really needs the fast memory and stage
> 3d. As a game developer I am/will not be successful enough that this will
> affect me, and even if it would: Its software I use. If I earn more than 50k
> for a app (after taxes) I guess I wouldn't be greedy, after all I can accept
> that some of the success is based on the Flash platform and I have no
> problem to reward them for that (if I use Unity then I haven't paid a cent
> for other Adobe products).
> Anyways: the way how it went down is ugly. Specially that they deprecated
> the old avm calls.
> Its one thing if you deprecate something that makes problems but something
> that is actually
> used and useful is uhm:  why??   It just annoys people. Makes me wonder
> if they really value bad
> marketing that much...
> So: yeah marketing suicide continues... but who really cares: People that
> have no way around .swf will use it like before (my policy is for 6years
> already: use flash only if there is no html option).
> yours
> Martin.
> On 28/03/2012 17:57, Giorgio Natili wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I know that Flex is not related to the gaming but I would love to know
>> which is the feeling of the mailing list about this news
>> In my opinion it will be used again against the Flash platform, what
>> do you think?
>> Giorgio Natili
>> Twitter + skype: giorgionatili

JP Bader
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