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From Williams Farias <will.far...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Halo x Spark
Date Sat, 24 Mar 2012 04:37:22 GMT
And my final question is: why just not mix them?

I belive in 'superable' comment. I know that Spark has great advantages.
But Halo is so much simple! So, why just mix them? take the best of their
too... and make a HaloSpark all in one architeture. Man, imagine if your
client dont need a insanely custom skin... just need a simple custom
scrollbar! In Halo, 5 minutes: open Flash, draw it literally with your
hands... and thats it. Spark... code... code and more code on blind view.

I havent seen any insanely Spark skinning exemple so far...

2012/3/24 Williams Farias <will.farias@gmail.com>

> Ok, so please show me a great example with Spark skinning, with really
> custom components... and of course, with source code... like that:
> http://fleksray.org/skins/scribble/Scribble.html
>
> If you see the source code, you´ll se the simplicity, its ridiculous, just
> CSS and images.
>
> Its not about what the technology can do... its about who will use it and
> whith what ammount of work? Man, developers usually dont do design... they
> only code the things... acess databases and so on. Spark components dont
> have so much impressive skinning examples, in my point of view, because of
> that: designers where excluded from skinning components! So, if only
> hardcode developders can do it... what meters if it´s the best whay? if
> nobody will use it... I what just to see an exemple, with source code with
> a great custom skin...
>
> If you have, please show me.
>
>
>
> 2012/3/23 superabe superabe <superabe@gmail.com>
>
>> I disagree. I think Spark skinning was the best thing to happen to Flex.
>> It makes it possible to do some insanely custom skins that I would have
>> shuddered to think about attempting to do with Halo
>>
>> Yes it makes it harder to simply style based skinning initially, but if
>> you
>> use that a lot, its possible to build that style support in in your core
>> component class, once and then reuse.
>> It's a tradeoff that I am completely happy to make.
>>
>> One important piece to skinning in Spark is to understand the Catalyst
>> workflow.
>> I realize the product itself is discontinued, but even at the state its
>> in,
>> it great for taking assets from designers and generating FXG graphics or
>> even mxml skin code, that you can then use in your Flex app.
>>
>> superabe
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Richard Oren <roren007@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I am not sure what you were trying to do... but with a little bit of
>> > research you should have been able to still use Flex 4 for your project.
>> > There is a learning curve to get behind the concept so I have felt your
>> > pain before but if you stick with it it does get somewhat easier. I have
>> > had to resort back to OLD school ways and Draw a lot of graphical stuff
>> for
>> > Mobile Development with the Drawing API, but for desktop stuff you
>> should
>> > be able to go with MXML.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> http://blog.flexexamples.com/2009/11/04/setting-a-custom-horizontal-scroll-bar-skin-on-a-spark-list-control-in-flex-4/
>> >
>> > Hang in there! You can Do it! :)
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Cortlandt Winters <
>> cort@cortwinters.net
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Will,
>> > >
>> > > I do have a prediction. And it's not a dire one.
>> > >
>> > > It's true what  you say, but though this is an area that the flex
>> > > components most need some TLC in, I'm confident that it's the one area
>> > that
>> > > it's most likely to get it.
>> > >
>> > > As for predictions, I predict that Adobe will do what it said it will
>> do
>> > > and it will leave Flex "5?" in a pretty stable state. It will take
>> some
>> > > time for folk to get familiar with the apache process and the
>> framework
>> > and
>> > > to determine how to deal with scrolling on mobile apps that have a
>> whole
>> > > new level of performance requirement, but that there are going to be
>> > plenty
>> > > of opportunities to make both web based apps easy to skin and mobile
>> ones
>> > > performant.
>> > >
>> > > The toughest part about taking flex and making it open source is that
>> > most
>> > > flex users are not component developers, they are end user app
>> > developers,
>> > > but as far as folk that are comfortable with styling and skinning
>> there
>> > > should be a lot of easily available expertise to create a good system.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Williams Farias <
>> will.farias@gmail.com
>> > > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Greatings everyone,
>> > > >
>> > > > I´d like to know why does Spark skining is so dificult to get a
>> simple
>> > > > result.
>> > > >
>> > > > I´m building now a web application and I need just to skin the
>> > ScrollBar.
>> > > > Ok, in Flex3 i just open my Flash CS5, create a new Symbol and
>> "Export
>> > > for
>> > > > actionscript". Then i just add 4 new lines in my CSS style code, and
>> > its
>> > > > done. I have now a simple and 2 minuts made scrollbar.
>> > > >
>> > > > But in Spark component... ohhh, what a brutal work i´d had to
>> take...
>> > > > create a new Style... and put everything on the code... ohhh man,
>> > thats a
>> > > > really waste of time with hundreds of codes lines and without a
>> design
>> > > > interface to see how it looks like... in my opinion its too much
>> work
>> > for
>> > > > such a little result!
>> > > >
>> > > > Just because of that scrollbar man, i had to decide to use Flex 3
>> > insted
>> > > of
>> > > > 4!!! A simple and  mediocre scrollbar skin!
>> > > >
>> > > > I was wondering: how can the most simple thing to do in Flex could
>> be
>> > > > transformed in a bunch of lines and hard work as that scrolllBar
>> skin?
>> > > >
>> > > > If i could propose something to chance in the next releases of Flex,
>> > is a
>> > > > mix of Halo and Spark Skins. I think that Flex3 skinning is much
>> more
>> > > > simple and intelligent to do.
>> > > >
>> > > > Antoher thing that frightened me was to read that Adobe will not
>> update
>> > > > more the Design View of Flash Builder! Does Apacge group have any
>> > > > prediction about this?
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > >
>> > > > Williams Farias
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>

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