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From "tinylion development" <i...@tinylion.co.uk>
Subject RE: Halo x Spark
Date Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:26:03 GMT
That’s just the thing

The example you’ve shown isn't really a very
different look than the standard one. Just
different images in basically the same component.

With spark skin you can make a component radically
different in ways that would be impossible in
halo.

Try for example in halo, taking the stand list
component and just with skinning turn it into  a
faux 3D rotating circle of selectable shapes or
images, each different and with different roll
over and selection images and then take that same
code and with some small changes make the circle a
horizontal  fading line.

Ok, I know there may not be a good UX reason for
this. But the way you make a component look in
spark is limitless. Where as in halo it's just a
different  cover over basically the exact same
thing

Sorry if this was not put very well, but the
payoff in using spark is huge.

Glenn
tinylion


-----Original Message-----
From: Williams Farias
[mailto:will.farias@gmail.com] 
Sent: 24 March 2012 04:22
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Halo x Spark

Ok, so please show me a great example with Spark
skinning, with really custom components... and of
course, with source code... like that:
http://fleksray.org/skins/scribble/Scribble.html

If you see the source code, you´ll se the
simplicity, its ridiculous, just CSS and images.

Its not about what the technology can do... its
about who will use it and whith what ammount of
work? Man, developers usually dont do design...
they only code the things... acess databases and
so on. Spark components dont have so much
impressive skinning examples, in my point of view,
because of
that: designers where excluded from skinning
components! So, if only hardcode developders can
do it... what meters if it´s the best whay? if
nobody will use it... I what just to see an
exemple, with source code with a great custom
skin...

If you have, please show me.


2012/3/23 superabe superabe <superabe@gmail.com>

> I disagree. I think Spark skinning was the best
thing to happen to Flex.
> It makes it possible to do some insanely custom
skins that I would 
> have shuddered to think about attempting to do
with Halo
>
> Yes it makes it harder to simply style based
skinning initially, but 
> if you use that a lot, its possible to build
that style support in in 
> your core component class, once and then reuse.
> It's a tradeoff that I am completely happy to
make.
>
> One important piece to skinning in Spark is to
understand the Catalyst 
> workflow.
> I realize the product itself is discontinued,
but even at the state 
> its in, it great for taking assets from
designers and generating FXG 
> graphics or even mxml skin code, that you can
then use in your Flex app.
>
> superabe
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Richard Oren
<roren007@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am not sure what you were trying to do...
but with a little bit of 
> > research you should have been able to still
use Flex 4 for your project.
> > There is a learning curve to get behind the
concept so I have felt 
> > your pain before but if you stick with it it
does get somewhat 
> > easier. I have had to resort back to OLD
school ways and Draw a lot 
> > of graphical stuff
> for
> > Mobile Development with the Drawing API, but
for desktop stuff you 
> > should be able to go with MXML.
> >
> >
> >
>
http://blog.flexexamples.com/2009/11/04/setting-a-
custom-horizontal-sc
> roll-bar-skin-on-a-spark-list-control-in-flex-4/
> >
> > Hang in there! You can Do it! :)
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Cortlandt
Winters 
> > <cort@cortwinters.net
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Will,
> > >
> > > I do have a prediction. And it's not a dire
one.
> > >
> > > It's true what  you say, but though this is
an area that the flex 
> > > components most need some TLC in, I'm
confident that it's the one 
> > > area
> > that
> > > it's most likely to get it.
> > >
> > > As for predictions, I predict that Adobe
will do what it said it 
> > > will
> do
> > > and it will leave Flex "5?" in a pretty
stable state. It will take 
> > > some time for folk to get familiar with the
apache process and the 
> > > framework
> > and
> > > to determine how to deal with scrolling on
mobile apps that have a
> whole
> > > new level of performance requirement, but
that there are going to 
> > > be
> > plenty
> > > of opportunities to make both web based apps
easy to skin and 
> > > mobile
> ones
> > > performant.
> > >
> > > The toughest part about taking flex and
making it open source is 
> > > that
> > most
> > > flex users are not component developers,
they are end user app
> > developers,
> > > but as far as folk that are comfortable with
styling and skinning 
> > > there should be a lot of easily available
expertise to create a good system.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Williams
Farias <
> will.farias@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Greatings everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I´d like to know why does Spark skining is
so dificult to get a
> simple
> > > > result.
> > > >
> > > > I´m building now a web application and I
need just to skin the
> > ScrollBar.
> > > > Ok, in Flex3 i just open my Flash CS5,
create a new Symbol and
> "Export
> > > for
> > > > actionscript". Then i just add 4 new lines
in my CSS style code, 
> > > > and
> > its
> > > > done. I have now a simple and 2 minuts
made scrollbar.
> > > >
> > > > But in Spark component... ohhh, what a
brutal work i´d had to take...
> > > > create a new Style... and put everything
on the code... ohhh 
> > > > man,
> > thats a
> > > > really waste of time with hundreds of
codes lines and without a
> design
> > > > interface to see how it looks like... in
my opinion its too much 
> > > > work
> > for
> > > > such a little result!
> > > >
> > > > Just because of that scrollbar man, i had
to decide to use Flex 
> > > > 3
> > insted
> > > of
> > > > 4!!! A simple and  mediocre scrollbar
skin!
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering: how can the most simple
thing to do in Flex 
> > > > could be transformed in a bunch of lines
and hard work as that 
> > > > scrolllBar
> skin?
> > > >
> > > > If i could propose something to chance in
the next releases of 
> > > > Flex,
> > is a
> > > > mix of Halo and Spark Skins. I think that
Flex3 skinning is much 
> > > > more simple and intelligent to do.
> > > >
> > > > Antoher thing that frightened me was to
read that Adobe will not
> update
> > > > more the Design View of Flash Builder!
Does Apacge group have 
> > > > any prediction about this?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Williams Farias
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


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