Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 819159543 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 51706 invoked by uid 500); 21 Feb 2012 20:45:19 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 51643 invoked by uid 500); 21 Feb 2012 20:45:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact flex-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 51635 invoked by uid 99); 21 Feb 2012 20:45:18 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:45:18 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [66.167.159.180] (HELO mail.digitalprimates.net) (66.167.159.180) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:45:12 +0000 Received: from DPSBS1.digitalprimates.local ([fe80::5823:d1b4:86c2:3ad0]) by DPSBS1.digitalprimates.local ([fe80::5823:d1b4:86c2:3ad0%22]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:49:10 -0600 From: "Michael A. Labriola" To: "flex-dev@incubator.apache.org" Subject: RE: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex Thread-Topic: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex Thread-Index: AQHM8NFV8jkZog2nLkOFQWSBZupKaZZHwSMggAACZvCAAG2KgP//n6tQ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:49:08 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.254.54] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 >thanks for the input, let me put it another way. Adobe can change the runt= ime anytime they want. They have not made the runtime code accessible to th= e Apache >Flex project. Its within the realm of possibility that they can c= hange something in the runtime that breaks for example current Flex >4.6 apps. Since you don't have the runtime code accessible how will you go= about fixing the issue. So, yes, they could decide that when the runtime starts up that it will no = longer run any code. That is their choice as they own the runtime. Doing so= though is not in their or anyone else's best interest and doesn't make muc= h sense. Doing so would not only break all Flex projects currently deployed= in the world but also likely all content created in Flash or ActionScript = projects. It is worth noting that Adobe said they would test future version= of the Flash Player and AIR against Flex 4.6. That does give us a baseline I think the best predictor of future behavior is the past. Flash has always= strived to be backward compatible with code written long ago. When major c= hanges were made to the Flash runtime, they actually create a whole new vir= tual machine so that the original code would continue to work forever more.= If I had to guess, that's what we will eventually see here. My 2 cents. Pe= rsonally that isn't what keeps me up at night, it's a losing proposition fo= r Adobe to make such a change. More scary is the prospect of Apple and Microsoft changing licensing to dis= allow things like AIR and Flash Player. This is not in any way likely. Appl= e tried it. It didn't go well, just saying this would be more of a fear tha= n the other items. >And I have not played with Java for a while. I know there's an open JDK . >Isnt' the Java runtime open sourced as well ? The Java runtime is under an open source license, but it is controlled in a= proprietary fashion... much the way Flex was previously. It is useful to k= now that the format for SWF is also available and open. Further, the core v= irtual machine for the Flash Player is available as part of the tamarin pro= ject under Mozilla, so, much like an open JDK, it is possible to write our = own Flash Player.... please know this is not a suggestion. Mike