Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DC75903E for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 62763 invoked by uid 500); 27 Feb 2012 15:16:53 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 62719 invoked by uid 500); 27 Feb 2012 15:16:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact flex-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 62711 invoked by uid 99); 27 Feb 2012 15:16:53 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:16:53 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of apostolache.andrei@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.220.175] (HELO mail-vx0-f175.google.com) (209.85.220.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:16:45 +0000 Received: by vcbfl13 with SMTP id fl13so1105899vcb.6 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of apostolache.andrei@gmail.com designates 10.220.108.80 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.220.108.80; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of apostolache.andrei@gmail.com designates 10.220.108.80 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=apostolache.andrei@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=apostolache.andrei@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.220.108.80]) by 10.220.108.80 with SMTP id e16mr4204870vcp.43.1330355784471 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:16:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=r0tBbUTq9NT88qnKw0Ev3jJOKRp1rAhDh9tNTpE92Xo=; b=f/YuYGZlSWiX7QVnAWsr1O6vxw6Od1xcp0B65ze0v3gcjeok8Bw1Iscw8tFMiln0q8 rGuPciA9Vf47KDAnZ2zAVNtOWOVDc9kzdrUbvRC0ZZ0a0pd9mQ7XopGV288FXGKPAY4d yHOmO3gTB9wG+OfggS0OLvPrP2ypvE8C+UTXI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.108.80 with SMTP id e16mr3425795vcp.43.1330355784392; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.90.147 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:16:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4F4B86F7.70507@dot-com-it.com> <1330350427.79921.YahooMailClassic@web126105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4F4B9558.6010901@dot-com-it.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:16:24 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Flex -> HTML, Linux and time to say goodbye? From: andrei apostolache To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c0918f41e9f04b9f39795 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --f46d043c0918f41e9f04b9f39795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you. We are developers not users. Users are the ones that can choose what device/OS to use. The developers are the ones that need to test and build the application based on their users requirements. If my application is targeted to some device/OS I think is logical to use that device/OS and not emulators or free OS. If I want to built an application for iOS, I'll have to test it on a proper iPhone/iPad. If your main target client are using Windows, use Windows not Linux. As developer you need to build & test your application using the OS/device that the majority of users will have. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Left Right wrote: > Andrei, > > please read my post above. Even if all Linux users at once used some > application built for Flash runtime, that wouldn't make a significant > difference from Adobe perspective as a company that provides the runtime, > simply, because there aren't enough of them, and they aren't of the kind > that pays for this kind of applications. > > However, there is a significant amount of Linux users who _write_ > applications for various platforms. This is entirely different thing, and, > if you look at how many developers are on different kinds of operating > systems, surprisingly, there may be equal number of programmers using Mac > OS, for example, and Linux. I wouldn't be surprised if there were actually > more programmers on Linux, then on Mac OS (hey, it's harder to convince a > programmer to buy a cat in the sac, especially if there are vial free > alternatives). So, targeting a commercial OS with possibly equal or less > number of programmers using it is a "strange" move from Adobe... Especially > so since it's also a Unix system, so, things shouldn't be "that" different > (yeah, I know gdm and all that - we've talked about it before). > This "strange" move might've been an historical tradition - Adobe just as > Macromedia before, positioned Flash and development tools as targeting > graphic artists for the most, and only marginally - programmers. It's not > true any more, because the programmers sector grew, because the language > and the runtime matured. Now, it would be only reasonable to admit the > change in the situation, and start supporting the other kind of customers, > but for reason that come unexplained, Adobe is devoted to support Flash > Builder for Macs, regardless of the hardship of keeping up with all kinds > of unexpected updates and secrecy policies Apple imposes on them, and > totally disregards the opensource alternative, which, for once, isn't > hiding anything form them and isn't putting any ultimatums of that kind... > I find this weird, by, ya'know, that's the executes' decision anyway. > > Best. > > wvxvw > --f46d043c0918f41e9f04b9f39795--