From flex-dev-return-3979-apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Sun Feb 5 21:36:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4444B95F8 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 66867 invoked by uid 500); 5 Feb 2012 21:36:44 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 66822 invoked by uid 500); 5 Feb 2012 21:36:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact flex-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 66814 invoked by uid 99); 5 Feb 2012 21:36:44 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:36:44 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of alexandre.madurell@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.215.175] (HELO mail-ey0-f175.google.com) (209.85.215.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:36:38 +0000 Received: by eaal10 with SMTP id l10so1445305eaa.6 for ; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 13:36:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=7JbeYjPgLEvpFF7GLuv+J3lhJiOVUnMTXzsVupXDtjg=; b=S70xzr5D0q8S+fj9CScm5zBxVBwqr8yJoNJmwMIgdNA1jq93WGJ6iG/Z99/GKw/qlM oHJZNbjy1oe+WecK2gEkhpoACqRZWLV5uLHFHTd5hxI1dRnLzQv2W7R4cEeujQzuiZGg EmoWYe411IWSO6+HNZGt7a3VPncPfn0Ns+z1A= Received: by 10.213.26.154 with SMTP id e26mr987086ebc.132.1328477776988; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 13:36:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (net-93-144-49-38.cust.dsl.teletu.it. [93.144.49.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y12sm53011515eeb.11.2012.02.05.13.36.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Feb 2012 13:36:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F2EF64D.4050407@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:36:13 +0100 From: Alexandre Madurell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve References: <4F2EE90D.2080306@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070302010704030708020705" --------------070302010704030708020705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/5/2012 10:03 PM, Doug McCune wrote: >> http://blogs.adobe.com/**avikchaudhuri/2012/01/17/the-** >> v8-myth-why-javascript-is-not-**a-worthy-competitor/ >> > I'd argue the important thing is not the current delta between JS and AS > performance. For rendering-related tasks ActionScript is still way ahead > (as that blog post tries to highlight and praise). However, that's not what > you should focus on. Take a look at this chart: > http://iq12.com/blog/as3-benchmark/ which shows the incremental speed > improvements for AS code execution vs JS code execution. > > Ignore the numbers in the chart, and ignore the comparison of AS to JS. The > benchmark only highlights things where JS excels (non rendering things). > > Focus on only one thing in that chart: the number of times the lines > change. Since 2007 (when FP9/AS3 came out) there are 3 times when AS3 > performance increased. Compare that to the line for JS performance in > Chrome, which has 8 jumps in performance since 2009. That's the difference > that matters. > > And yes, you can argue that the GPU stuff with Molehill should be taken > into account, etc (although that doesn't help with performance of any > content not specifically written for GPU rendering). But I think that chart > tells me more than anything else in this debate. AS3 performance has > stagnated. JS performance has consistently increased. Is it as good as AS3 > right now? No. But largely that doesn't matter. It's the trajectory that > matters. > > But enough about JS performance. My point wasn't to talk shit about Flash. > My only point was that writing off HTML/JS as inferior is naive and > dangerous. > Point taken :) And thanks for the link, I recall having read it a while ago, and this other (now updated) link mentioned in the comments is quite illustrative too: http://www.craftymind.com/guimark3/ (I was shocked to see such poor video performance by FP on video!). P.S. I like your logo too (did you know "arrow" is "FLEtXa" in Catalan?) ;) --------------070302010704030708020705--