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From Humberto Sanchez II <hsanche...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder
Date Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:32:44 GMT
Agreed.  This was one of the first things that caused me to adopt Flex 2
was the more than functional design view

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On 2/17/12 11:05 AM, "Charles Monteiro" <charles@nycsmalltalk.org> wrote:

>First of all, just moved to the neighborhood.
>
>I think you are totally on the money. Folks with the right background
>understand how to exploit these tools and a UI design view is
>indispensable. They provide a huge productivity advantage, folks not used
>to them just don't get it.  My core background is in VisualWorks Smalltalk
>which has only been used for enterprise apps and in these circles its UI
>designer is just integral to an iterative development rad process.
>
>Just this monday I went to a Flex meeting here in NYC. What I heard is
>that
>the Flex designer will go away  in Flash Builder but what I also thought I
>heard is that Adobe will not open source the UI designer. If that's true I
>don't get it. They are going to get rid of it why not just give it away ?
>
>I hope I heard wrong and if not I hope Adobe reconsiders and open sources
>the UI designer to Apache.
>
>thanks for listening.
>
>On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy Tellier
><jeremytellier@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> "Design View" as a concept has made development tools very successful,
>> there is a reason why Dreamweaver was always way ahead of other WYSIWYG
>>and
>> that is because it had a great, responsive design view, and an
>>uncluttered
>> code view. I worked with the original Flex team at Macromedia, simply
>> providing input and have used Flex since its inception. I have also
>> organized ridiculously large teams of ui designers, ux prototypers and
>>ui
>> engineers, etc and I find "design" time views to be a feature of a
>>system
>> that simply cannot be lost.
>>
>> In my experience most engineer types, usually that came from Java
>>tooling,
>> never feel they need a "design" view, it is not the "*experience*"
>>level as
>> some of us are extremely experienced and use the entirety of a toolset
>>to
>> our advantage. There is no real need to "remove" it, if it is there and
>> people do not wish to use it... then don't use it. But why remove
>>features
>> from a product? It is so much easier to click "Design View" than to
>>build
>> your entire app and launch it to see how it looks. I have found that
>>people
>> raised from Visual Studio & even Macromedia tools seem more apt to take
>> advantage of "design" views in their day to day routine and enjoy having
>> the quick and easy ability to see at least a rough area of how
>>components
>> are fitting together.
>>
>> As for rapid prototyping, if Catalyst is gone (and it was never 100%) I
>> would suggest my ux designers to use flash builder (100% design view).
>> Balsomiq is cute for some things but not for large system prototyping.
>>
>> If it is simply that Adobe does not wish to provide improvements to
>>their
>> design functionality, throw up a "Cannot render" tag like dreamweaver
>>does
>> for unknown asp/jsp tags or better a properly sized "cannot render"
>>box. At
>> least people will be able to see relative positioning and a real
>> "Enterprise" with design, ux, engineering, architecture, etc software
>> departments can take advantage of the toolset as they see fit.
>>
>> My 2 cents
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Erik Lundgren <erik@lndgrn.se> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > 17 feb 2012 kl. 11.48 skrev jude:
>> >
>> > > [1] http://www.radii8.com/
>> > > [1] http://www.radii8.com/demo/ - read the notes -
>> >
>> > Would love to see it, but browser tells me it can't find it.
>> >
>> > /Erik
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Charles A. Monteiro
>www.monteirosfusion.com
>sent from the road



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