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From JP Bader ...@zavteq.com>
Subject Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder
Date Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:57:38 GMT
I've been on Flex for several years, and I have almost completely
moved away from design view because when I am building complex
components relying on other custom controls, DV never helped, it would
just generate a big 'x' (like a borked image in a browser).  There is
much more power and utility in the AS3 side, and even MXML has always
met my needs.  I never liked design view hardcoding x/y coordinates,
and locking down positions.  It became way to static to use.

I do lament the disappearance of a tool that was useful for beginners,
but honestly, the more complex applications got (and at the enterprise
level they can get extremely complex), DV became an
accidental-keystroke-time-suck-waiting-to-happen.

For the case of quickly mocking up a tool/UI, I use Balsamiq (or
something equivalent), but that's another discussion for another day.

Regards,

JP

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Paw Suddergaard
<paw.suddergaard@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've been developing flex since flex 2, and i still use design view
> somtimes.
> Its great for some things, and really poor at other things.
>
> For quick mockups / test projects it is invaluable!
> For advanced layouts with custom skins and bindable variables it really is
> useless.
>
> So it really depends on what you are doing. I think it's a great
> possibility to have.
>
> But yes, i turn it off whenever i start coding.
>
> My 2 cents...
>
> Paw
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Jack Ring <jackringg@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been coding Flex apps since '06 and started to use design view to
>> bump things around only about 6 mos ago.
>>
>> It has improved my workflow. I can't imagine not using it anymore. I do
>> however toggle Enable Design View on when needed.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski <nicholas@spoon.as>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I've been developing Flex applications since 2005, and yes I still use
>> the
>> > Design View.  My workflow usually consists of mocking up an application
>> > quickly and getting customer sign-off on a non-functional UX prototype.
>> > It's not about dragging-and-dropping stuff onto the stage, but rather
>> > making sure they line up, look cohesive, and have a good UX feel.  (Does
>> > this button look better with 10px spacing, or 12?  Is 100px enough space
>> > for this button including the icon and text?  If I only have 150px width
>> > for my app, do three buttons look too crowded?).  Once the UX is signed
>> > off, then I go into code view and never look back.
>> >
>> > But for that case, it make the tool for me.  There are so many other
>> tools
>> > that are much better at straight ActionScript -- but some of the design
>> > view and other small things that I expect to be cut based on these
>> > announcements are what keep me in Flash Builder.
>> >
>> > On another related note, it looks like there is a plugin being developed
>> > for IntelliJ that will fill this gap.  It won't allow drag-and-drop, but
>> it
>> > will have a live-preview of your MXML so you can quickly see what some of
>> > those changes will do without having to wait through a complete compile
>> for
>> > each iteration.
>> >
>> > -Nick
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Yousif Atique <atique.yousif@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> I would agree that design view is great for a very new beginner but for
>> >> someone who has got at least 2+ years of RIA experience, s/he wouldn't
>> want
>> >> to get into the business of dragging and dropping controls just like
>> how it
>> >> was done back in VB days.... one would want to understand and
>> >> learn/memorize different properties (along with their respective
>> possible
>> >> vales) to get his/her dirty with deep down details.
>> >>
>> >> In the past 4+ years, I haven't come across anyone who loved this
>> feature
>> >> religiously. And, need not to mention that design view is super slow if
>> you
>> >> try to make FB read an existing screen...
>> >>
>> >> No offense to anyone and with all respect to all, personally I think
>> >> 'squeeze is not worth the juice'....
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> On Feb 16, 2012 9:24 AM, "Jeremy Tellier" <jeremytellier@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I agree, I use design view to quickly mock up what needs to be on the
>> >>> screen, then jump into code for refinement. I was miffed when they
>> >> dropped
>> >>> the CSS designer as I had a crew of non-technical designers creating
>> >> skins
>> >>> for my apps that were left high and dry when that occurred. Why does
>> >> Adobe
>> >>> just drop features left and right? Remember when Dreamweaver had Java
>> and
>> >>> DotNet Support? ;)
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Jeremy
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Eugene Diana [mailto:ediana@myersinfosys.com]
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:19 AM
>> >>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> >>> Subject: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder
>> >>>
>> >>> Last night at the Boston meeting I was surprised to see that almost
>> none
>> >> of
>> >>> the participants take advantage of the Design View (which Adobe will
>> drop
>> >>> from FB).as a relative beginner, I find it quick and easy to build a
>> >> screen
>> >>> (we have many in our app, and it is very data-driven).what am I
>> missing?
>> >>> What method is easier than simply dragging the components to the spot
>> >> where
>> >>> you want them, aligned and sized the way you want?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks much,
>> >>>
>> >>> Eugene
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>



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JP Bader
Principal
Zavteq, Inc.
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