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From jude <>
Subject Re: Flex -> HTML, Linux and time to say goodbye?
Date Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:52:06 GMT
I'm sure it's obvious but in a company with so many interconnected parts
you have interconnected sales.

So when someone who needs to target Windows, OSX and Linux and Flash
provides that solution then it becomes very appealing over other
technologies. If you don't support Linux then what sets you apart from
using Mono or other cross OS solutions?

But when you have that advantage of 3 OS's you may or may not buy a single
copy of Flash Builder or IntelliJ but you most certainly buy into the whole
stack of Adobe software. How is this possible?

Let's say ATT wants to open a new call center in India and they need to
create a call center app for data entry and phone activations. They have
budget on what they can spend. They want to target Windows, Mac OS X but
mostly Linux. Let's see why:

If you have 5000 employees who each need a PC and operating system to run
it on then using loose pricing you can determine how much it will cost per
operating system.

With Mac at 5000 x 600 per Mac hardware and software = 3,000,000.
With Windows at 5000 x 500 for PC hardware and software = 2,450,000.
With Linux at 5000 x 350 per PC hardware and software = 1,750,000.

In the above I'm adding in the cost of Windows OEM softare into the mix
(not deducting volume pricing but at the same time not adding in antivirus
or demand for higher system requirements).

With Linux you'd save around $1.2 million. On a smaller scale you save
about $250 per seat. If you can run your app exactly the same on a Linux
machine through AIR or the browser not to mention that same app working on
Mac and Windows you have an advantage.

Then that company then has a vested interest in Adobe's technologies and
offerings. Developers and designers get involved and request tools to make
skins or export FXG. Then the company is buying PS and AI for their teams.
Then the company needs PDF and they are buying LiveCycle. Then they need to
conduct meetings so guess what, there's an app for that, it's called
Connect. Then the people in the company get accustomed to and familiar with
Adobe products and they go off and do their own business and because of
Linux it all goes round and round again. But nooooo "Linux users don't buy
stuff".  So OK Microsoft will get that client.

BTW I'm speaking theoretically of course but I've seen it happen at
companies I've worked at (companies you've heard of) and it's been fairly
consistent from company to company. It's related to the technology stack
[1] [2]. In the second link notice Visual Studio on the right. Do a Google
images search "technology stack" and look at the images.

But Adobe only has so much resources, can they afford to keep investing in
Flex, Flash Builder and Flash Catalyst? A better question to ask is can
they afford not too? ... :P


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:50 PM, saurabh jain <>wrote:

> Support for a application on Linux is very very important. I had been using
> flex for application development for more than 3 years now and all the apps
> that I have worked on had a condition that it should work on windows, linux
> and mac (no compromise on this).
> -Saurabh
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Omar Gonzalez <
> >wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Duane Nickull <>
> wrote:
> >
> > > It seems criminal to not make it for the best OS that exists.
> > >
> > > <duck>
> > > ________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > Oh its on OS X, it just runs like crap.
> >
> > <duck x 2>
> >
> > -omar
> >
> --
> Regards,
> Saurabh
> +91 80991-91166

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