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From Frédéric Thomas <>
Subject Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]
Date Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:38:15 GMT
Hi Arnoud,

I aggree, I'm not a commiter but I followed the ML from the start and I'm 
starting to feel frustrated because not many things have been started, ok, 
we haven't got any test framework at the moment and the JIRA is not 
completly imported yet, but still, let's start something, at least to avoid 
that the community to be sucks by this slow process of putting everything in 
place, I'm sure many people wants to start something but they can't because 
they're not commiters and the process to skim the all ML to find pieces of 
conversions about the subjects they interrested too is just a pain.

The idea of a wiki where folks can pick up informations on what is going on 
in term of sub-projects, roadmap, staters or whatever you want to call it, 
and proposed by the commiters, is a good starting point to go further, like 
that, if they adhere to it and they've got the opportunity to propose their 
contribution on the particular topics they like, this will re-inflated their 
heart and faith around of Flex, for now, I feel like being handcuffed 
because nothing is done for us in order to participate, I started things on 
my side, but without the possibility of sharing ideas or code on a 
particular topic in a dedicated place is very frustrating.

Many subject of developement have been discussed and not all of them are in 
whiteboards or wiki at the moment, many of them have just been left out or 
are still in argumentation if we should or not develop it, even if it's good 
to talk with everyone about a direction to take and realized early if things 
are not good at all or simply don't federate anyone, it seems to be a 
stopper because you haven't got anything except the ML and the whiteboard.

For exemple, I started to explore the possibilities to split the UIComponent 
in beharviors, given the subject is interesting and has been launched few 
weeks ago, now I've got my code (not finished yet), but I can't see anyone 
and no places where to discussed the topic or the code, worst, the people 
who launched the subject and were interested to do something, doesn't 
communicate on it anymore, a wiki page or a blog would have been a good 
place for those who wanted to be involved.

An early involvement of the community is nescessary IMO unless you want to 
let the enthusiasm fall back.

An other point as well, time ago, in the ML, we talked about to use the wiki 
to show to people how to build the sdk, do a mavenization and so on, nothing 
happened, not even with that. Is it possibile to do it now we've got a wiki 

(Sorry for my english, I hope I've been be clear enough anyway)

-----Message d'origine----- 
From: Arnoud Bos
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping 
SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:03 PM, João Saleiro wrote:

> On 06-02-2012 15:44, Jonathan Campos wrote:
>> Wouldn't that fit better in the whiteboard folder? Or maybe if we set up 
>> a
>> wiki by whiteboard folder I would be okay with that.

I like this idea a lot

It would be great if people could have a standard public wiki page connected 
to their whiteboard where they can write:
- what they are doing,
- who is doing it,
- why they are doing it,
- and their short term / long term plans,
- tell about the state of their code (usable, pre-alpha),
- basically anything they want to share.

This page would be editable by the whiteboard owner without having to go 
through voting stuff, consensus etc on what they want to write there. that's 
why it's a white board.....

a) It could prevent duplicate efforts of solving issues and
b) it might be easier help to bring people with the same expertise together 
creating better solutions.

Of course it NOT be obligatory to maintain such a page for each whiteboard, 
but offering the possibility to do seems great.

Then a central wiki page that links to the different whiteboard wiki pages 
that have been created could help anyone interested to get a quick
view on what's going on in the project.

This seems much more accessible to me than a high traffic mailinglist or 
checking out the trunk and wading trough the code to maybe find something of 
interest for you.

Example: i checked out the whiteboards and see that Tink is doing some great 
work on navigators
and layouts. For people just browsing trough the wiki this could be 
valueable info.

>> My issue is the
>> "officialness" of a wiki saying "this is what we are doing in this way"
> Yes, that's more or less a step towards of what I mean. A wiki per 
> whiteboard folder would help. And when someone suggests having "feature X" 
> added to Flex, either we explain how can that person create a whiteboard 
> folder, or we indicate the url of the wiki of an existing whiteboard 
> folder (instead of just answering  "I agree", "I disagree").
> I think there should be a base structure for each wiki, that indicates 
> motivation for that feature, short roadmap, people involved, etc.
> And I completely agree with your concerns of the "officialness" of a wiki. 
> We should list existing initiatives, but they cannot be communicated them 
> as "official" directions.
> João Saleiro

Met vriendelijke groet,

Arnoud Bos
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