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From Ariel Jakobovits <>
Subject Re: [gosh] Goshhawk language choices and more [Was: Adobe / Apache / Spoon Flex Tour]
Date Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:39:24 GMT
>> Seriously? 
>Yes, really seriously.

David's language is harsh, perhaps not well suited for email discussions (or any discussion
for that matter) and not productive in building community.
But his point is well taken. Hinting at solutions to problems, but not actually revealing
them to the group, feels like delaying progress, feels like "proprietary" vs "open source."
And I think it's worth pointing out, that while for some this is just fun, for others livelihoods
and past investments depend on the future of Apache Flex and time is ticking. David's frustration
with Alex can be understood if he falls in this camp, which I do fall into.
Ariel Jakobovits
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 From: David Arno <>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: [gosh] Goshhawk language choices and more [Was: Adobe / Apache / Spoon Flex Tour]
On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 23:03 +0000, Michael A. Labriola wrote:
> >Dear Alex, 
> >
> >The first rule of Apache is that if it doesn't happen here, it doesn't happen. Therefore
either you are working on ideas that could help us better compile MXML code, which you are
about to share with us imminently, >or what you are working on is of no interest to the
Apache Flex project. It's time you and Adobe decided which it is. So cut the teasing act and
either put up or shut up.
> >
> >David.
> Seriously? 
Yes, really seriously.

It's ridiculous enough that Adobe are pissing us about with the
ridiculously long time they are taking over releasing stuff to Apache,
without then starting stupid "well we are working on solutions to that,
but you'll have to wait to find out what, so there" nonsense.

If Alex has stuff to contribute, then he should contribute it now,
involving the rest of the group as he does so. Otherwise he can go boil
his head for all I care.

I have no time for Adobe's screwed up "we'll open source it when we have
finished it" attitude to be frank with you. Further I think anyone who
puts up with such crap from Adobe employees does neither themselves, nor
this project, any favours at all.

Basically if the emperor isn't wearing any clothes, tell him his arse is
flabby and move on. Licking it won't get you anywhere.

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