Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B5C2F9E23 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 38394 invoked by uid 500); 25 Jan 2012 12:12:28 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 38302 invoked by uid 500); 25 Jan 2012 12:12:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact flex-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 38293 invoked by uid 99); 25 Jan 2012 12:12:27 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:12:27 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of alex.hugh35@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.215.47] (HELO mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com) (209.85.215.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:12:22 +0000 Received: by lags15 with SMTP id s15so2950934lag.6 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 04:12:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uAOEtfhyfcKWjbBawNJcVTq13XW+d8wRTojzwMo+g/U=; b=PlyXd0h8IloWvg1ECeYr+ClEZ0+OJCDrThoY5y7mHdjJ8VRCF1nXmIDKTnFilM5Grj 8szkMkVESCpiDN+eVnCEQd4FiX0h075feE/d5oFa04sDYo4fDWYsiQQ7uVdFLbtYfGMY FgRhf/tOSvgTPrne+uK76fm+5nCpr5y1n/wgo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.48.134 with SMTP id l6mr1555758lbn.98.1327493520715; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 04:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.82.69 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 04:12:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:12:00 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [OT] Atlassian From: Alex Hugh To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d860be705204b7592bda --bcaec554d860be705204b7592bda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I get the point what James Ong are saying, sometime it isn't about technology, one part is the training that most Windows developers are familiar with their own products. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Roland Zwaga wrote: > I'm not sure I get your point there... > > On 25 January 2012 12:41, James Ong wrote: > > > You have to know .Net met a few requirements that Flex didn't have > > then, that why most companies rather use MS or Java products until > > they see Flex can offer a real benefits, the early day of RIA was > > still infancy to many of us. > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Roland Zwaga > > wrote: > > >> > > >> I think that link doesn't say much. Didn't Adobe screw it up with the > PR > > >> team? ;) > > >> > > > > > > Well, I thought the link was interesting in light off some of the > > comments > > > I heard on > > > one of the flexshow podcasts. I believe Michael Labriola (is that > correct > > > Mike?) made a > > > comment about how certain people at Adobe had made remarks about how > some > > > people were making millions doing Flex projects while all Adobe could > do > > > was charge 500 > > > dollars for a box of Flashbuilder. Obviously I don't have the complete > > > picture but hearing > > > that and having personally experienced how LCDS was marketed and > > maintained > > > I can't help but think that there was a certain lack of focus or > > knowledge > > > somewhere. > > > And I'm not here to bash Adobe, I really wished they would have managed > > to > > > get more of > > > a foothold in the enterprise market, it might have prevented the PR > > > disaster which right now > > > is hurting a lot of us. > > > Hopefully Apache Flex will be able to put some of it right :) > > > > > > cheers, > > > Roland > > > > > > -- > regards, > Roland > > -- > Roland Zwaga > Senior Consultant | Stack & Heap BVBA > > +32 (0)486 16 12 62 | roland@stackandheap.com | > http://www.stackandheap.com > --bcaec554d860be705204b7592bda--