Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3474B9F74 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13649 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jan 2012 09:57:26 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 13530 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jan 2012 09:57:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact flex-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 13485 invoked by uid 99); 19 Jan 2012 09:57:19 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:57:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO mail-ee0-f47.google.com) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username bdelacretaz, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:57:19 +0000 Received: by eekd41 with SMTP id d41so498857eek.6 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:57:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.52.200 with SMTP id e48mr1449080eec.72.1326967037644; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.29.133 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:57:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <092e01ccd68c$fff7fef0$ffe7fcd0$@davidarno.org> References: <092e01ccd68c$fff7fef0$ffe7fcd0$@davidarno.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:57:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does the Flex name need to change? From: Bertrand Delacretaz To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:30 AM, David Arno wrote: >> On Wednesday, January 18, 2012 at 5:49 PM, >> Alex Harui wrote: >> >> Adobe definitely intends to let Apache use the Flex name, but apparently >> there are repercussions with a straight up "donation". So, unfortunately= , I >> still can't guarantee anything in that area right now. > > Hopefully I am just muddled here, but doesn't this statement by Alex caus= e us problems? As I understood it, for us to use the name "Flex", Apache ha= s to own the trademark to it. In order words, there has to be a "straight u= p donation" as Alex puts it. We can't just be allowed to use the name, we h= ave to own it.... I'm not a trademarks specialist by far, AFAIK the key point is that to keep the name, the ASF must be able to use it freely in the future, without it being controlled by an external entity. A "straight up donation" might not be the only way to implement this. -Bertrand