Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 186BFB318 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28775 invoked by uid 500); 11 Jan 2012 00:39:34 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 28681 invoked by uid 500); 11 Jan 2012 00:39:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact flex-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 28673 invoked by uid 99); 11 Jan 2012 00:39:33 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:39:33 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [209.85.216.47] (HELO mail-qw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.216.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:39:28 +0000 Received: by qadb17 with SMTP id b17so2108142qad.6 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.221.148 with SMTP id ic20mr16669657qab.23.1326242347518; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.32.165.144] ([199.19.138.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r10sm3258qaz.7.2012.01.10.16.39.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:39:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F0CDA27.4020804@dot-com-it.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:39:03 -0500 From: Jeffry Houser Reply-To: jeffry@dot-com-it.com Organization: DotComIt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Resource Allocation ( was: Flex logo contest ) References: <899728D2EF794643B9F51239FB441E07@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <899728D2EF794643B9F51239FB441E07@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/10/2012 6:58 PM, Rick Winscot wrote: > As an example, what will happen if Adobe keeps cranking out Flash Builder versions? Do committers get a free copy - or will they be expected to pay for it themselves? Why would committers get a free copy? It would certainly be a nice gesture from Adobe; but I wouldn't expect it. > At the summit, there was no question that Adobe was going to keep releasing the IDE (at least that's what they said). If the expectation is that we keep step with advancements / fixes... who _should_ pay for that connective tissue? I'm unclear what advances in Flex/Flash Builder would require us to change the Flex SDK. Perhaps my mind is not being creative enough. > If Adobe isn't going to help out with licenses... and committers can't keep up-to-date - what of their status? Will they be dropped from the list? There are plenty of other IDEs for Flex development out there and thanks to the multi-SDK support of Flash Builder, I suspect many developers will have no problems working on the "old versions". > I get the feeling that people hear 'non-profit' and immediately think that _everything_ is free / donated... perhaps in some cases it can be - but even Apache has a 'sponsorship' page that details where 'monetary contributions' are spent. I'm sure that they have rules for money handling - what 503(c) organization doesn't? ...but non-profit doesn't mean you don't make money. It just means that at the end of the year you're expected to show a zero-balance in your bank account. I don't believe this is true. IT is expected that instead of pocketing the money, you re-invest back in the non-profit. > I get really frustrated when people feel some sort of entitlement because they work on project X or because your name is Y or you know person Z. Like the type of entitlement you're displaying by requesting free versions of Flash Builder from Adobe? > Johnathan Campos - Apache Flex wants to have a conference in San Francisco on the first anniversary of the project. Since you're on the commiters list... you'll be donating your time - pro-bono. Oh... and btw - the conference can't make a dollar because it's non-profit. That is ridiculous. Non-profits are perfectly allowed to make money. Just the assumption is that you invest profits back into the cause of the non-profit. > Oh... and btw - Adobe didn't agree to supporting anything like that so... you'll have to come up with sponsorship yourself or pay for it out of your own pocket. Yep, if "we" decide to throw an Apache Flex conference, we'd be in the same position as any other conference, such as www.360flex.com or www.riaunleashed.com or riacon.com or... I would not count on Adobe to be a sponsor; although from a business perspective I would definitely invite them to be one. > Oh... and it's possible that Apache Flex may not even have anything to release by the conference. Oh... and... I strongly doubt that we would put time into organizing an Apache Flex conference w/o planning to announce; but even if we do; is that so bad? -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust