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From Amit Goel <>
Subject Re: Flex incubation on Apache as Opensource
Date Sun, 15 Jan 2012 07:54:43 GMT

Sure spark didn't leverage anything on that, what I mean here is an example
of what could be think of with just having a lame SDK on community's hand,
when other dependencies are owned by Adobe. And by that 'interface'
example, I was citing an example of same limitation community is having,
there might be several other such concerns and this is just an example of
Everyone will be waiting eagerly for new ideas community will be bringing
out and I am excited about more people joining the project.
I believe that point of going opensource is just that Adobe wants to get
rid of it.
No body needs any approval of those giants, but as the web standards rely
heavily on them, Apache Flex will definitely be befitted these majors adopt
opensource Flex.
And last but not the least support doesn't lay on words said or mails
written, it lays on actual actions, which Adobe has already done by
donating the sdk, and you and the rest of community is doing by taking it

Amit Goel

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Alex Harui <> wrote:

> On 1/14/12 10:41 PM, "Amit Goel" <> wrote:
> > Adobe will be donating the Flex SDK, and not the AVM/playerglobals etc.
> So
> > Adobe will continue to own the legacy on Flash and it's heart -
> >  ActionScript/AVM. I am just thinking past sometime around the period of
> > Flex3, if this same incubation could have done that time, is there a
> single
> > member in the community could even think of developing Flex4 SDK with
> spark
> > containers? I believe NO.
> Spark did not leverage any VM enhancements to my knowledge.
> > The community is just here to develop some more components on top of the
> > SDK components - that's it?
> I don't think that's it.  Lots of new ideas will be explored.
> > But why no AVM and other legacy without which community is real lame
> > with having a restricted scope, in which they are to just maintain the
> Flex
> > evolution?
> Every Java project in Apache does not include the JVM.  ActionScript
> projects don't need to include the AVM.
> > But what I see is that scope available for the community seems to be very
> > restricted, where there is a huge dependency on its original legacy
> holder
> > i.e. Adobe itself.
> The scope available is already able to create world-class enterprise
> applications.  That seems to be good enough for the folks joining this
> project.
> >
> > You see Alex telling
> > here<
> >
> 0and%20interfaces#query:Flex%20modularity%20through%20composition%20and%20inte
> > rfaces+page:1+mid:c274z4qt3e74ri3b+state:results>,
> > that a blank interface in AVM consumes around 1K and loads extra 250
> bytes
> > to an SWF! What are the ways we can reduce it? Its absolutely - No Way
> > around, until Adobe itself comes up with some changes to AVM.
> True, but I don't think we need to reduce that to be successful.
> > Ok we have jira
> > <>now hosted with Apache for
> > Flex, we will continue logging SDKs bug which were initially done on
> > Adobe's site <>.
> We plan to migrate Adobe Flex SDK bugs to Apache, so please do not re-file
> issues filed with Adobe.
> > And YES, Adobe will make some
> > charity(if at all possible) sometime by fixing some of the bugs logged
> > there via their SDK team. I am saying that becoz Adobe already was lazy
> > fixing bugs logged under their banner <>.
> The point of going opensource is now the project members can fix bugs and
> Adobe has no say of which ones to fix.
> >
> > It reminds me of Steve Jobs criticizing Adobe which created havoc over
> > Flash/Flex community. I believe this Apache Flex could only be opensource
> > when community is free to develop the SDK, own the legacy without any
> > limitations. With this incubation, I was feeling a fresh air of Flex
> being
> > opensourced and other major vendors Apple/Google/MicroSoft will adopt it
> as
> > a standard, but this is not going to happen anymore, when its creator
> > itself is taking its hand back on this.
> >
> > I am a great supporter of Flex, and want Apache Flex to live long!
> Hmm, didn't see much support in your email, and I think your goals are too
> lofty.  This project can be successful without becoming a standard approved
> by Apple/Google/Microsoft.
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.

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