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From Roland Zwaga <>
Subject Re: [OT] Atlassian
Date Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:32:37 GMT
Hi Alex,

I wasn't implying that Adobe ought to make money from the Flash Player
directly. All I wanted to highlight
was the fact that during the Flex Summit it became apparent that there
seemed to be a disconnect between
Adobe and their enterprise customers. From what I understood left and right
(but this is me interpreting of course)
Adobe was realizing it didn't make any significant money in the enterprise
area (one of the reasons given for focusing
less on Flex). Adobe basically had one enterprise product, which was LCDS,
which (I'm guessing) wasn't making the kind
of money that they would like it to make. So I'm trying to understand where
this disconnect between Adobe and its enterprise
customers stemmed from, when Atlassian is a great example of a company who
IS able to make money in that area.
Like I said before, I'm not attacking/bashing Adobe, I'm just trying to
understand where things went wrong.


On 25 January 2012 23:19, Alex Harui <> wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roland Zwaga []
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:32 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [OT] Atlassian
> >
> >
> > Well, I thought the link was interesting in light off some of the
> > comments
> > I heard on
> > one of the flexshow podcasts. I believe Michael Labriola (is that
> > correct
> > Mike?) made  a
> > comment about how certain people at Adobe had made remarks about how
> > some
> > people were making millions doing Flex projects while all Adobe could
> > do
> > was charge 500
> > dollars for a box of Flashbuilder.
> I think you are enforcing Labriola's point.  Atlassian can make that much
> in a year because it sells licenses to each viewer, not to each
> developer/author (or, you can say that the author/viewer ratio is nearly
> 1:1).  No license is required to view a Flash SWF (or Acrobat PDF for that
> matter) and the author/viewer ratio is not even close to 1:1).  If you can
> figure out how Adobe can make money per SWF viewer, let me know.
> Yes, LCDS was sold differently, but the free options (SOAP, REST) were
> sufficient enough and/or too entrenched.
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Developer
> Adobe Systems Inc.
> Blog:


Roland Zwaga
Senior Consultant | Stack & Heap BVBA

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