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From Sebastian Mohr <masul...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] PPMC members to decide voting procedure
Date Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:29:42 GMT
Because I have created a Apache Flex Logo proposal 
myself I should NOT be able to [VOTE] - even though I am 
PPMC member. IMHO the same rule should apply to other 
[LOGO] creators, too.


-- Sebastian



On Jan 15, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Matthew Poole wrote:

> I saw your post and figured you'd got my meaning.
> 
> Thanks
> Matt
> 
> On 14 January 2012 23:01, Michael Schmalle <mike@teotigraphix.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> BTW,
>> 
>> Doug brought this up today and you might have read the post. I wrote a
>> thread called [LOGO INFO] replying to the group. I didn't quite address
>> your real issue (multiple submissions). This is possible with numbering the
>> same name in the title of separate threads.
>> 
>> When I originally read this I thought you were speaking about the actual
>> variations on the design itself.
>> 
>> Hope this clears up things for authors/designers that do feel they have
>> multiple logo designs.
>> 
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Quoting Matthew Poole <mattjpoole@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> Cool.
>>> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2012 13:08, "Michael Schmalle" <mike@teotigraphix.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> """
>>>> Note: The design as accepted by popular vote will be treated as a
>>>> proposal
>>>> that can be tweaked and cemented into it's final published form.
>>>> """
>>>> 
>>>> Note the rules say "design" not logo. What you are worried about is not
>>>> an
>>>> issue.
>>>> 
>>>> AIt has also been stated that the url that was submitted is the design
>>>> being voted on even if designers make newer versions, they need to update
>>>> the original submission url.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Quoting Matthew Poole <mattjpoole@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Incidentally, many of the logos on the submissions page have multiple
>>>> 
>>>>> variations. How would the voters know the are voting for the
>>>>> same variation of a specific logo?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Might not be important, but perhaps we should have stipulated that the
>>>>> entrants provide one variation only per submission, but allow multiple
>>>>> submissions per entrant?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 13 January 2012 20:26, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 13, 2012, at 12:44 AM, Rui Silva wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Alex,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> IMHO, the PPMC is that set of managers and should make the
final
>>>>>>> decision.
>>>>>>>> It sounds like we have some folks who understand branding
issues
>>>>>>> commenting
>>>>>>>> on the submissions.  I think that's enough information for
the PPMC
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>> with.  A popular vote in these circumstances is not controlled
>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Agree in full. Apart from the comments I have been making to
some of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> logo submission there have been others with a good grasp of some
of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> issues regarding branding doing the same. On the other hand I
worry a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>> that, on an open, uncontrolled poll, popularity issues become
>>>>>> prevalent
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> that's definitely not the way I'd like a logo for Flex to be
chosen.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is why the vote needs to be on the list. All of us can see who
>>>>>> cast
>>>>>> each vote. A lot of work for the person tallying the results, but
it is
>>>>>> completely transparent. This is particularly important for PPMC votes
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> are the ones that are "binding."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The PPMC ought to consider what the larger community thinks. Remember
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> of the goals for graduation from the incubator is proving the
>>>>>> capability
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> growing and adding new committers to the project based on the merits
of
>>>>>> their contributions to the community. The community includes more
than
>>>>>> coding.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Rui
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 


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