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From Ethan Jewett <esjew...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: ESME-170 - PubSubHubub
Date Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:44:38 GMT
Dick,

Any of the above. If there is a use case it should not be too
difficult to keep one or more timestamped counters on the feed.

Imtiaz,

Sounds good to me. I'm totally in favor of charging ahead in branches.

Ethan

On Saturday, August 28, 2010, Richard Hirsch <hirsch.dick@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Ethan Jewett <esjewett@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I forgot to address the "inundated with messages" problem you bring
>> up. I actually think this is not a problem, even though it appears to
>> be an issue. Admittedly, a user could really mess up their timeline
>> and have everybody unsubscribe from them, but with the capability to
>> put RSS feed items into specific pools and tags I can see use cases
>> for a huge deluge of messages into a limited pool, especially for
>> users that are managed by technical systems via the API. For example,
>> a CRM system using ESME may actually be interested in seeing every
>> feed item PuSHed from a Google Buzz tracking feed.
>>
>> We could always have a configuration option to rate limit the ability
>> of RSS actions to create messages. We could definitely add that if it
>> became a problem.
>
> Would this limit be system-wide or user-specific?
>
>>
>> Does that address your concern? Was there something that I'm not thinking of?
>>
>> Ethan
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Imtiaz Ahmed H E <in.imtiaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> However,
>>>
>>> If a feed PuSHes too often Esme may be inundated with messages. So, instead
>>> of what Ethan concurs with below, should the user have the option to poll
>>> 'every 5 mins' or so even if the feed supports PuSH ?
>>> Also, a feed may support PuSH but the hub may breakdown. In that case should
>>> the user be reverted to say, a default of, 'every 5 mins' ?
>>>
>>> Maybe we should have two kinds of filter tests.
>>>
>>> 1. every n mins
>>> 2. onpush default every n mins
>>>
>>> PubSubHubub will be used only in 2 above, reverting to every n mins if the
>>> feed's hub breaks down (fails)..
>>>
>>> In 1 above, only polling will be done even if the feed supports PuSH.
>>>
>>> Let me know if this sounds okay...
>>>
>>> Imtiaz
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ethan Jewett" <esjewett@gmail.com>
>>> To: <esme-dev@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: ESME-170 - PubSubHubub
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Imtiaz,
>>>>
>>>> I completely agree. If we need to revamp the filter syntax to make
>>>> this more clear, we can do that after the PuSH functionality is
>>>> already in place.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Ethan
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Imtiaz Ahmed H E <in.imtiaz@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ethan,
>>>>>
>>>>> After some initial thoughts otherwise about this, I now feel, for an
>>>>> RSS/ATOM feed that PuSHes ( PuSH is an acronym for PubSubHubub) we should
>>>>> just ignore any test (filter) whatsoever and update the user's messages
>>>>> whenever a feed update is PuSHed to ESME.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if otherwise...
>>>>>
>>>>> Imtiaz
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Imtiaz Ahmed H E"
>>>>> <in.imtiaz@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <esme-dev@incubator.apache.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: ESME-170 - PubSubHubub
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I need to know all the possible kinds of tests (filters
>>>>>> conditions)
>>>>>> that make sense for an RSS/ATOM action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imtiaz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vassil Dichev" <vdichev@apache.org>
>>>>>> To: <esme-dev@incubator.apache.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:19 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: ESME-170 - PubSubHubub
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the kind of filter condition which makes the best sense for
this
>>>>>> action, at least. What do you want to do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vassil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Imtiaz Ahmed H E <in.imtiaz@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably can figure this out, but would someone oblige and tell
me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> every nn mins rss-url
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the only form/kind of an rss/atom b

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