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From Ethan Jewett <esjew...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: svn commit: r930136 - in /incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp: style/style.css templates-hidden/message.html
Date Tue, 06 Apr 2010 21:06:35 GMT
Agreed. I will amend myself again. I am against making long messages
impossible. But I support making them ugly or discouraging them in
another way :-)

Ethan

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Sig Rinde <sig@rinde.com> wrote:
> As outsider:
>
> For work purposes it makes sense as Ethan says to not have limit.
>
> But I do agree with Anne that short looks better, gives more info per
> square foot interface... but, actually, I really believe that it will
> sort itself out as long and windy messages will look, eh, long and
> windy and certainly not cool - it's called peer pressure :) So soon
> you'll find all going short despite freedom to occasionally going
> long.
>
> (and with twitter many will be used to stay short already)
>
> <end of long and windy message>
>
>
>
> On 6 April 2010 22:52, Anne Kathrine Petterøe <yojibee@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Nope and nope (yet).
>>
>> Right now we don't have a fixed length to our messages, which I was never a big fan
of. From a UI developer perspective it is a bit difficult to make it nice looking when you
don't know if what comes has 140 characters or 1400.
>>
>>
>> On 6. apr. 2010, at 22.41, Sig Rinde wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have countdown from 140 as well?
>>> And url shortening?
>>> Two very nice twitter features that..
>>>
>>> Would definitely not be cool to manually count the chars :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 April 2010 22:29, Ethan Jewett <esjewett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Thanks for doing this! I guess I'd leave it open until we have a more
>>>> permanent fix, but maybe lower the "badness" of the issue and make a
>>>> note of why that is happening?
>>>>
>>>> I'm actually starting to think that the best way to do this is to have
>>>> the javascript that populates the message text that is being replied
>>>> to truncate that text to 140 characters (or something). The user just
>>>> needs a sample and JS has easy functions for doing this. Hmmm. Maybe
>>>> tonight.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think? Do we want truncation or stretching as our final
>>>> fix for this issue?
>>>>
>>>> Ethan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe
>>>> <yojibee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> If we encourage our users not to use more than 140 characters (which
I always thought we should) - we are now safe. Shall I leave the ticket open as this is a
bit of a quick fix, seeing we haven't imposed any limits for how long the messages can be.
(yet)
>>>>>
>>>>> /Anne
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4. apr. 2010, at 01.44, Ethan Jewett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I already opened ESME-188 for this issue (the input area expanding)
-
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ESME-188
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think we need to move anything. Instead, we either need to
>>>>>> restrict the total length of the "reply to" section to only display
>>>>>> part of the message being replied to, or we need to make the input
>>>>>> area background expand dynamically to accomodate varied message
>>>>>> lengths.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ethan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe
>>>>>> <yojibee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'll take a look at it tomorrow.
>>>>>>> We could also make the update box background a bit longer too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3. apr. 2010, at 18.57, Richard Hirsch wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe it was some other tool.  Smaller font and other color
(grey?) might be
>>>>>>>> one option
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe <yojibee@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will take a look at it during tomorrow's daily UI hour,
but smaller font
>>>>>>>>> might be one solution.
>>>>>>>>> twitter doesn't display the "reply to:" at all and brizzly
displays an
>>>>>>>>> reply to box inline.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3. apr. 2010, at 18.52, Richard Hirsch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> let's look at how twitter / brizzly do it. They use
a smaller font.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe
<
>>>>>>>>> yojibee@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I like it :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now sort of unrelated.
>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to move the "reply to" function,
as it currently is it
>>>>>>>>>>> pushes the Share with and Update button out of
the "what are you working
>>>>>>>>> on"
>>>>>>>>>>> box. Where should we move it to?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2. apr. 2010, at 01.33, esjewett@apache.org
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Author: esjewett
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu Apr  1 23:33:10 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>> New Revision: 930136
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=930136&view=rev
>>>>>>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [ESME-187] Re-arrange input area so that
the flow is a little better -
>>>>>>>>>>> this is a bit of an experiment - feel free to
back out
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>>>>>>  incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Modified: incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css
>>>>>>>>>>>> URL:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css?rev=930136&r1=930135&r2=930136&view=diff
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>> --- incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css
>>>>>>>>>>> (original)
>>>>>>>>>>>> +++ incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css
Thu Apr
>>>>>>>>>>> 1 23:33:10 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -192,10 +192,15 @@ label {
>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>> .login-btn, .update-btn, .submit-btn {
>>>>>>>>>>>>     float:right;
>>>>>>>>>>>> -}
>>>>>>>>>>>> +}
>>>>>>>>>>>> +.share-select {
>>>>>>>>>>>> +     float:left;
>>>>>>>>>>>> +}
>>>>>>>>>>>> .update-btn {
>>>>>>>>>>>> -     margin-top:20px;
>>>>>>>>>>>> -     padding-top:10px;
>>>>>>>>>>>> +     margin-right:40px;
>>>>>>>>>>>> +}
>>>>>>>>>>>> +.update-btn, .share-select {
>>>>>>>>>>>> +     margin-top:10px;
>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>> #form-update label {
>>>>>>>>>>>>     font-weight:bold;
>>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -216,7 +221,7 @@ textarea.inputBox2 {
>>>>>>>>>>>>     float:left;
>>>>>>>>>>>>     background-color:#FFFFFF !important;
>>>>>>>>>>>>     border:1px solid #a7aaad;
>>>>>>>>>>>> -     width:440px;
>>>>>>>>>>>> +     width:95%;
>>>>>>>>>>>>     height:50px;
>>>>>>>>>>>>     padding:4px;
>>>>>>>>>>>>     margin-right:10px;color:#000;
>>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -532,7 +537,7 @@ h5 { font-size: 100%;
}
>>>>>>>>>>>> h6 { font-size: 80%; }
>>>>>>>>>>>> img, img a {border:0px; }
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -.clear {clear:both; height:20px; }
>>>>>>>>>>>> +.clear {clear:both;}
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> /*
>>>>>>>>>>>> .container-update, .container-tabs, .container-settings
{behavior:
>>>>>>>>>>> url("src/iepngfix.htc");}
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> URL:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html?rev=930136&r1=930135&r2=930136&view=diff
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html
>>>>>>>>>>> (original)
>>>>>>>>>>>> +++
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html
>>>>>>>>>>> Thu Apr  1 23:33:10 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -26,29 +26,30 @@
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_request</lift:loc>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
</h3>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
<div id="form-update">
>>>>>>>>>>>> -                          
           <div id="messages"></div>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>> -                          
          <div class="post-form-row">
>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> <label><lift:loc>ui_messages_share</lift:loc></label>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -                          
                  <select id="vPool"
>>>>>>>>>>> class="inputBox2">
>>>>>>>>>>>> -                          
                          <option
>>>>>>>>> value="0">
>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_pool_public</lift:loc>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -                          
                          </option>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> <lift:UserSnip.accessPools/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -                          
                  </select>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -                          
          </div>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -                          
          <div class="row clear"
>>>>>>>>>>> style="display: none" id="reply-to-div">
>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> <b><lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_reply</lift:loc></b>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -                          
                 <span
>>>>>>>>>>> id="reply-to-span">-</span>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -                          
                 <a href="javascript:
>>>>>>>>>>> clearReplyTo()">
>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_remove_reply</lift:loc>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -                          
                 </a>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -                          
             </div>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                          
          <div id="messages"></div>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
        <div class="post-form-row">
>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
                <textarea
>>>>>>>>> class="inputBox2"
>>>>>>>>>>> id="vMsg" rows="5" cols="80%"></textarea>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
                <div class="row clear"
>>>>>>>>>>> style="display: none">
>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
                        <input id="vTag"
>>>>>>>>>>> style="width: 90%"/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
                </div>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                          
          </div>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                          
          <div class="row clear"
>>>>>>>>>>> style="display: none" id="reply-to-div">
>>>>>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>>>>> <b><lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_reply</lift:loc></b>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                        <span
id="reply-to-span">-</span>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                        <a
href="javascript: clearReplyTo()">
>>>>>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>>>>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_remove_reply</lift:loc>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                        </a>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                    </div>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                          
          <div class="post-form-row">
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                          
                  <div
>>>>>>>>> class="share-select">
>>>>>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>>>>> <label><lift:loc>ui_messages_share</lift:loc></label>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                          
                          <select
>>>>>>>>> id="vPool"
>>>>>>>>>>> class="inputBox2">
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                          
                                  <option
>>>>>>>>>>> value="0">
>>>>>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>>>>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_pool_public</lift:loc>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                          
                                  </option>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>>>>> <lift:UserSnip.accessPools/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                          
                          </select>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +                          
                  </div>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
                <div class="update-btn">
>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
                        <input
>>>>>>>>> type="image"
>>>>>>>>>>> onclick="javascript:post_msg();" src="images/btn-update.gif"
/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
                </div>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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