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From Ethan Jewett <esjew...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: svn commit: r930136 - in /incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp: style/style.css templates-hidden/message.html
Date Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:55:52 GMT
I lean towards displaying the original URL or a truncated version of
the original URL rather than displaying a shortened version. Short
URLs deliver absolutely no information other than that there is a link
involved, so I'd rather we use those characters to deliver some
information.

If we go for a truncated version of the URL, I agree we should have a
mouse-over display the full URL.

Ethan

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Richard Hirsch <hirsch.dick@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, there is a URL-shortener built in to ESME. Post a URL in a message
> and then look at the message in the timeline - the href is shortened. We
> have to decide whether to display this shortened href or the original link -
> (Maybe as a mouse-over?)
>
> D.
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Sig Rinde <sig@rinde.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you have countdown from 140 as well?
>> And url shortening?
>> Two very nice twitter features that..
>>
>> Would definitely not be cool to manually count the chars :)
>>
>>
>> On 6 April 2010 22:29, Ethan Jewett <esjewett@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Thanks for doing this! I guess I'd leave it open until we have a more
>> > permanent fix, but maybe lower the "badness" of the issue and make a
>> > note of why that is happening?
>> >
>> > I'm actually starting to think that the best way to do this is to have
>> > the javascript that populates the message text that is being replied
>> > to truncate that text to 140 characters (or something). The user just
>> > needs a sample and JS has easy functions for doing this. Hmmm. Maybe
>> > tonight.
>> >
>> > What do you think? Do we want truncation or stretching as our final
>> > fix for this issue?
>> >
>> > Ethan
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe
>> > <yojibee@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> If we encourage our users not to use more than 140 characters (which I
>> always thought we should) - we are now safe. Shall I leave the ticket open
>> as this is a bit of a quick fix, seeing we haven't imposed any limits for
>> how long the messages can be. (yet)
>> >>
>> >> /Anne
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 4. apr. 2010, at 01.44, Ethan Jewett wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I already opened ESME-188 for this issue (the input area expanding)
-
>> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ESME-188
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't think we need to move anything. Instead, we either need to
>> >>> restrict the total length of the "reply to" section to only display
>> >>> part of the message being replied to, or we need to make the input
>> >>> area background expand dynamically to accomodate varied message
>> >>> lengths.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ethan
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe
>> >>> <yojibee@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> I'll take a look at it tomorrow.
>> >>>> We could also make the update box background a bit longer too.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 3. apr. 2010, at 18.57, Richard Hirsch wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Maybe it was some other tool.  Smaller font and other color
(grey?)
>> might be
>> >>>>> one option
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe <
>> yojibee@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I will take a look at it during tomorrow's daily UI hour,
but
>> smaller font
>> >>>>>> might be one solution.
>> >>>>>> twitter doesn't display the "reply to:" at all and brizzly
displays
>> an
>> >>>>>> reply to box inline.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 3. apr. 2010, at 18.52, Richard Hirsch wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> let's look at how twitter / brizzly do it. They use
a smaller font.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe
<
>> >>>>>> yojibee@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I like it :-)
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Now sort of unrelated.
>> >>>>>>>> I think we need to move the "reply to" function,
as it currently
>> is it
>> >>>>>>>> pushes the Share with and Update button out of the
"what are you
>> working
>> >>>>>> on"
>> >>>>>>>> box. Where should we move it to?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 2. apr. 2010, at 01.33, esjewett@apache.org wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Author: esjewett
>> >>>>>>>>> Date: Thu Apr  1 23:33:10 2010
>> >>>>>>>>> New Revision: 930136
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=930136&view=rev
>> >>>>>>>>> Log:
>> >>>>>>>>> [ESME-187] Re-arrange input area so that the
flow is a little
>> better -
>> >>>>>>>> this is a bit of an experiment - feel free to back
out
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Modified:
>> >>>>>>>>>  incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Modified:
>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css
>> >>>>>>>>> URL:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css?rev=930136&r1=930135&r2=930136&view=diff
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> ==============================================================================
>> >>>>>>>>> --- incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css
>> >>>>>>>> (original)
>> >>>>>>>>> +++ incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/style/style.css
>> Thu Apr
>> >>>>>>>> 1 23:33:10 2010
>> >>>>>>>>> @@ -192,10 +192,15 @@ label {
>> >>>>>>>>> }
>> >>>>>>>>> .login-btn, .update-btn, .submit-btn {
>> >>>>>>>>>     float:right;
>> >>>>>>>>> -}
>> >>>>>>>>> +}
>> >>>>>>>>> +.share-select {
>> >>>>>>>>> +     float:left;
>> >>>>>>>>> +}
>> >>>>>>>>> .update-btn {
>> >>>>>>>>> -     margin-top:20px;
>> >>>>>>>>> -     padding-top:10px;
>> >>>>>>>>> +     margin-right:40px;
>> >>>>>>>>> +}
>> >>>>>>>>> +.update-btn, .share-select {
>> >>>>>>>>> +     margin-top:10px;
>> >>>>>>>>> }
>> >>>>>>>>> #form-update label {
>> >>>>>>>>>     font-weight:bold;
>> >>>>>>>>> @@ -216,7 +221,7 @@ textarea.inputBox2 {
>> >>>>>>>>>     float:left;
>> >>>>>>>>>     background-color:#FFFFFF !important;
>> >>>>>>>>>     border:1px solid #a7aaad;
>> >>>>>>>>> -     width:440px;
>> >>>>>>>>> +     width:95%;
>> >>>>>>>>>     height:50px;
>> >>>>>>>>>     padding:4px;
>> >>>>>>>>>     margin-right:10px;color:#000;
>> >>>>>>>>> @@ -532,7 +537,7 @@ h5 { font-size: 100%; }
>> >>>>>>>>> h6 { font-size: 80%; }
>> >>>>>>>>> img, img a {border:0px; }
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> -.clear {clear:both; height:20px; }
>> >>>>>>>>> +.clear {clear:both;}
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> /*
>> >>>>>>>>> .container-update, .container-tabs, .container-settings
>> {behavior:
>> >>>>>>>> url("src/iepngfix.htc");}
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Modified:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html
>> >>>>>>>>> URL:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html?rev=930136&r1=930135&r2=930136&view=diff
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> ==============================================================================
>> >>>>>>>>> ---
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html
>> >>>>>>>> (original)
>> >>>>>>>>> +++
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> incubator/esme/trunk/server/src/main/webapp/templates-hidden/message.html
>> >>>>>>>> Thu Apr  1 23:33:10 2010
>> >>>>>>>>> @@ -26,29 +26,30 @@
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_request</lift:loc>
>> >>>>>>>>>                             </h3>
>> >>>>>>>>>                             <div
id="form-update">
>> >>>>>>>>> -                            
         <div id="messages"></div>
>> >>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>> -                            
        <div class="post-form-row">
>> >>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>> <label><lift:loc>ui_messages_share</lift:loc></label>
>> >>>>>>>>> -                            
                <select id="vPool"
>> >>>>>>>> class="inputBox2">
>> >>>>>>>>> -                            
                        <option
>> >>>>>> value="0">
>> >>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_pool_public</lift:loc>
>> >>>>>>>>> -                            
                        </option>
>> >>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>> <lift:UserSnip.accessPools/>
>> >>>>>>>>> -                            
                </select>
>> >>>>>>>>> -                            
        </div>
>> >>>>>>>>> -                            
        <div class="row clear"
>> >>>>>>>> style="display: none" id="reply-to-div">
>> >>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>
>> <b><lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_reply</lift:loc></b>
>> >>>>>>>>> -                            
               <span
>> >>>>>>>> id="reply-to-span">-</span>
>> >>>>>>>>> -                            
               <a href="javascript:
>> >>>>>>>> clearReplyTo()">
>> >>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>
>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_remove_reply</lift:loc>
>> >>>>>>>>> -                            
               </a>
>> >>>>>>>>> -                            
           </div>
>> >>>>>>>>> +                            
        <div id="messages"></div>
>> >>>>>>>>>                              
      <div class="post-form-row">
>> >>>>>>>>>                              
              <textarea
>> >>>>>> class="inputBox2"
>> >>>>>>>> id="vMsg" rows="5" cols="80%"></textarea>
>> >>>>>>>>>                              
              <div class="row
>> clear"
>> >>>>>>>> style="display: none">
>> >>>>>>>>>                              
                      <input
>> id="vTag"
>> >>>>>>>> style="width: 90%"/>
>> >>>>>>>>>                              
              </div>
>> >>>>>>>>> +                            
        </div>
>> >>>>>>>>> +                            
        <div class="row clear"
>> >>>>>>>> style="display: none" id="reply-to-div">
>> >>>>>>>>> +
>> >>>>>>>>
>> <b><lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_reply</lift:loc></b>
>> >>>>>>>>> +                        <span
id="reply-to-span">-</span>
>> >>>>>>>>> +                        <a href="javascript:
clearReplyTo()">
>> >>>>>>>>> +
>> >>>>>>>>
>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_remove_reply</lift:loc>
>> >>>>>>>>> +                        </a>
>> >>>>>>>>> +                    </div>
>> >>>>>>>>> +                            
        <div class="post-form-row">
>> >>>>>>>>> +                            
                <div
>> >>>>>> class="share-select">
>> >>>>>>>>> +
>> >>>>>>>> <label><lift:loc>ui_messages_share</lift:loc></label>
>> >>>>>>>>> +                            
                        <select
>> >>>>>> id="vPool"
>> >>>>>>>> class="inputBox2">
>> >>>>>>>>> +
>> <option
>> >>>>>>>> value="0">
>> >>>>>>>>> +
>> >>>>>>>> <lift:loc>ui_messages_message_label_message_pool_public</lift:loc>
>> >>>>>>>>> +
>> </option>
>> >>>>>>>>> +
>> >>>>>>>> <lift:UserSnip.accessPools/>
>> >>>>>>>>> +                            
                        </select>
>> >>>>>>>>> +                            
                </div>
>> >>>>>>>>>                              
              <div
>> class="update-btn">
>> >>>>>>>>>                              
                      <input
>> >>>>>> type="image"
>> >>>>>>>> onclick="javascript:post_msg();" src="images/btn-update.gif"
/>
>> >>>>>>>>>                              
              </div>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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