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Subject: Re: ESME as Micro App on EcoHub?
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Just out of curiosity Michael...why is your answer "no"? Do you really =
think ESME can never integrate with ERP?
I feel we as a team (with very limited resources) give all we have and =
then some, to prove it can be done, so I was just a bit shocked by your =
response.=20

And just for clarification: I said it kills innovation from **smaller =
companies and individual devs**, not innovation in general. I don't =
think that is provocative. If you look at the SAP ecosystem you don't =
find many individual developers who can live off creating innovating =
applications. It wasn't meant as bashing, it has been my reality the =
last 3 years.
OK enough SAP talk! ..from all of us ;-)

/Anne


On 6. jan. 2010, at 20.00, Ethan Jewett wrote:

> Responses inline...
>=20
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Bechauf, Michael
> <michael.bechauf@sap.com> wrote:
>> Ethan,
>>=20
>> the issue of ESME/E2.0 integration with SAP/ERP that I raised was =
meant exactly for that reason: Is there something worth investing for =
both SAP as well as the ESME team ? The answer, as I see right now, is =
"no", so I agree with you that it is a fact of life that nobody will =
bring forth any time, money or resources if there is neither a personal =
or business return-of-investment.
>=20
> Ethan: Maybe I've lost the history of this discussion, or perhaps
> there is another parallel discussion going on, but what is the driver
> behind all of this discussion about how best to integrate with SAP
> ERP? If SAP wants it, then SAP should work on it. SAP doesn't need our
> permission. If ESME wants it (I haven't seen this desire expressed on
> this list for ages), then we should figure out how to work on it (and
> sorry, but I see evaluating SAP's IP restrictions and partner
> agreements as part of this discussion). If a mutual customer or SAP
> partner wants it, then they should be talking to us.
>=20
>> Regarding statements that I perceive as provocative: Well, to say =
that "the SAP partner program kills innovation" is provocative in my =
book. We've already done a lot in a year, such as like totally relaxing =
our policies regarding contributing to open source as well as providing =
the SAP developer license and Code Exchange which are all meant for =
individual developers. I know there is so much more work that needs to =
be done, but rather than just saying how bad things are, please help us =
figure out appropriate ways to present a business case for individual =
developers based on areas of innovation that individuals can pursue, and =
that makes sense for EcoHub, which is mostly a tool for SAP customers to =
discover value-add products and services that works with their ERP =
system.
>=20
> Ethan: I think we appreciate what you and your group have
> accomplished. But as I'm sure you're well aware, one year of good work
> doesn't not erase a couple of decades of history. I know SAP changes
> slowly and I can see that it's changing, but that doesn't make the
> current state of it's programs any different. In my view, one of the
> reasons SAP is changing is because of the pointed statements by
> mentors and other community members. It annoys me to see you imply
> that these statements are somehow inappropriate.
>=20
>> As I said, I'm happy to continue this discussion in a place such as =
the SAP Mentor Forum that is more approrpiate than the ESME dev list. I =
don't think we should be discussing legal agreements and fee structure =
for SAP programs here.
>=20
> I would be happy to participate ... if I had access to that forum! :-)
>=20
> Ethan