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From Ethan Jewett <esjew...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Collaboration with #ubimic
Date Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:13:02 GMT
I like the lego idea. I'm not personally familiar with xRPM and I'm
having a hard time envisioning how it would fit in with ESME from
reading SAP's documentation, but that's my problem. :-)

Ethan

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Richard Hirsch <hirsch.dick@gmail.com> wrote:
> Regarding business case: We talked about accessing xRPM via ESME a
> year ago. You could very easily use the technical architecture I
> described on the wiki page to deal with the LEGO-based scenario with
> sensors (RFID) that Martin described.
>
> D.
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Ethan Jewett <esjewett@gmail.com> wrote:
>> All the collaboration ideas presented by Martin sound good. I do think
>> that the idea of implementing an SAP use case is very attractive and I
>> would be able to help out with that, either on the API side or the
>> ABAP side.
>>
>> One question: Has there been thought on specific use cases that create
>> business value and involve message- or event-oriented two-way
>> interaction between an SAP system and a person using a free-form
>> messaging system? I like the technical use case Dick describes on the
>> wiki page, but I'd like to see it in the context of a real business
>> process. Seems like this might be one of #ubimic's areas of expertise?
>>
>> Ethan
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Richard Hirsch <hirsch.dick@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Wiki page is now full with content / ideas.
>>>
>>> Setting up a simple prototype shouldn't be difficult.
>>>
>>> D.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Richard Hirsch <hirsch.dick@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>> Started a wiki page with more detailed ideas for the SAP Bot
>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ESME/Collaboration+with+ubimic
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:37 PM, David Pollak
>>>> <feeder.of.the.bears@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Richard Hirsch <hirsch.dick@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Martin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for contacting us regarding a collaboration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it would great to collaborate on a  SAP-related use case.
We
>>>>>> already have a series of ABAP bots that create ESME messages based
on
>>>>>> certain activities (check-out of development components, etc.)  What
>>>>>> about looking an an older use case with xRPM integration that we
>>>>>> talked about in a blog (http://blog.esme.us/esme-bots/).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We would be glad to help you in setting up an environment and we
could
>>>>>> also look at using our Stax test environment to integrate with the
SAP
>>>>>> systems on the university.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about this idea. The Stax test installation is the microblogging
>>>>>> environment. An ESME bot sits in your university's network and listens
>>>>>> to the message flow in this environment (using our new API). When
>>>>>> messages with a certain tag are delivered, your bot then reformats
>>>>>> these messages and then they are posted to the SAP system. A response
>>>>>> message is then posted to the Stax user saying that the operation
was
>>>>>> a success / failure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the next steps would be to further refine this idea (or
>>>>>> another idea) so that a developer could develop a quick prototype.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am very keen on collaboration.  The whole Actions thing was a bit
of
>>>>> brain-vomit on my part that happened over a 24 hour period.  Other folks,
>>>>> notably Vassil, have fleshed out and improved Actions over time.  However,
>>>>> I'd be very interested in enhancing what can be done with Actions...
I think
>>>>> they, along with real-time information flow, distinguish ESME from most
>>>>> other micromessaging platforms.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> D.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Martin Böhringer
>>>>>> <martin.boehringer@wirtschaft.tu-chemnitz.de> wrote:
>>>>>> > Hi ESME community
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > You discussed our suggestion for a joint project with #ubimic
>>>>>> > (http://ubimic.org) last week and I wanted to get back to you
with our
>>>>>> > thoughts on possible collaboration scenarios.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > First, I should tell you about #ubimic. We are a group of university
>>>>>> > researchers interested in microblogging from different points
of view
>>>>>> > (computer science, information systems, organizational science).
Together
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> > think that microblogging has great potential when it comes to
integrating
>>>>>> > normal users and things like sensors, machines and software.
We are
>>>>>> > experimenting with different microblogging tools and scenarios.
For
>>>>>> example
>>>>>> > we have a current project where we use a little factory built
with LEGO
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> > simulate how sensors (RFID) could participate in microblogging.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > For us, two things are really cool with ESME:
>>>>>> > - the "action" / "ESME bots" functionality
>>>>>> > - the ESME community with its background in enterprise applications
(SAP)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Therefore, I could think of different levels of collaboration:
>>>>>> > a) loosely coupled collaboration; we share information and include
each
>>>>>> > other in publications (ESME could have a place as associated
partner of
>>>>>> > #ubimic if you're interested)
>>>>>> > b) shared work on a SAP use case: it would be really cool, if
we could
>>>>>> > define a concrete use cases of tweeting SAP systems. For example
tweeting
>>>>>> > Purchase Requisition or Open Items. What would be benefits (easy
access,
>>>>>> > easy possibility to retweet and enrich with hashtags, ...) and
what would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> > problems (rights management!, implementation costs)? What's
with the
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> > way round (create actions in the SAP system via microblogging
postings)?
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> > could write a joint blog posting for each use case (or maybe
even a
>>>>>> > publication/white paper).
>>>>>> > c) implement a SAP use case: that would be perfect. We have
running SAP
>>>>>> > systems at the university and I could try to get a student for
the
>>>>>> > implementation work. However, I have no knowledge of ESME and
I am sure
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> > your system has much more to offer (actions, ESME bots)... so
I would
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> > someone who supports us here.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Let me know what you think!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Btw: just to let you know in advance: we are working on a study
on
>>>>>> > enterprise microblogging tools. We might come back to you in
a view days
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> > order to get some information on ESME (we have a standardized
>>>>>> > questionnaire)...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Cheers
>>>>>> > Martin
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > ---
>>>>>> > Dipl.-Wirt.-Inf. Martin Böhringer
>>>>>> > Technische Universität Chemnitz, Fakultät für Wirtschaftswissenschaften,
>>>>>> > Professur Wirtschaftsinformatik II
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Web:     http://tu-chemnitz.de/wirtschaft/wi2
>>>>>> > Email:   martin.boehringer@wirtschaft.tu-chemnitz.de
>>>>>> > Xing:    http://xing.com/profile/Martin_Boehringer
>>>>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/boehr
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net
>>>>> Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890
>>>>> Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp
>>>>> Surf the harmonics
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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