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From Daniel Kulp <>
Subject Re: Welcome Dick Hirsch as an ESME committer!
Date Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:38:25 GMT
On Wed August 26 2009 8:45:05 am Erik Engbrecht wrote:
> Congrats Dick!
> Betrand,
>   A minor point of many other Apache committers are they
> who aren't coders?  I think this is a good thing, and I'm wondering if it's
> something new...

It's definitely not a "normal" thing, but it does occur.   For CXF, we had one 
"committer" that really just did documentation in confluence.   With some 
prodding, he's now started doing some javadoc as well which is a good thing, 
but definitely NOT a coder.

We also have one committer that's not really a "coder", but has committed a 
lot.   He's gone through all the code and fixed all the typos and grammar 
mistakes in all the error/logging messages, help text, method/field names, 
etc....     Again, not so much a coder, but VERY valuable contributions as 

Basically, there are very valuable contributions to be made to a project that 
don't require uber coding skills.   Those contributions should be recognized 
as well.

Another good example:  the ASF recently elected a new member as an ASF member 
that has never committed any code to any ASF project. (he didn't even have an 
account on   He's a lawyer and his legal contributions to 
the ASF merited it.    (and Dave: if you have some specific legal issues with 
the was ASF works, I'm sure he'd be happy to discuss it with you on legal-  :-)   )

Recognizing these types of contributions can be one of the hardest things in 
growing a community.   As developers, we're all used to being on the lookout 
for patches and such that a developer would do.   Being on a lookout for other 
types of contributions can definitely take some effort.


> -Erik
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi ESME community,
> >
> > I'm pleased to announce that the ESME PPMC and Incubator PMC have
> > voted to make Dick a committer and PPMC member of the ESME podling -
> > and Dick has accepted ;-)
> >
> > Although Dick doesn't currently write code, he's been involved in all
> > other aspects of ESME: mailing list discussions, project guidance,
> > wiki maintenance, etc., in a very positive way - and IIUC Dick has
> > been part of the ESME adventure from the start, to this is well
> > deserved!
> >
> > Welcome Dick, and I'll let you when your commit rights are actually
> > activated, should be very soon.
> >
> > The following resources provide useful information about ASF
> > commitership:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Bertrand

Daniel Kulp

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