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From: Mrinal Wadhwa <mrinal.wadhwa@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:25:42 +0530
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Subject: Re: UI vs. API vs. ESME server (was: Please take a look at)
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thanks


On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:23 AM, David Pollak <feeder.of.the.bears@gmail.co=
m
> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Mrinal Wadhwa <mrinal.wadhwa@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > I wasn't aware we already had calls for conversations, actions and pool=
s
> > ...
>
>
> There should be calls for conversations and actions.  Pools are new, so
> there may not be calls for those.
>
>
> >
> > just saw them, are these fully functional, or in progress?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Mrinal
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:10 AM, David Pollak <
> > feeder.of.the.bears@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Ethan,
> > >
> > > We've had an Air client since day 1 and have all the APIs to support
> the
> > > AIR
> > > client (other than user authentication).  What APIs are missing for
> your
> > > YQL
> > > version?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Ethan Jewett <esjewett@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It sounds like the project has been going down the road of decoupli=
ng
> > the
> > > > UI
> > > > from the backend for a while, resulting in a situation where we are
> > > pretty
> > > > close to having the ability to use a generic UI took like Atlas to
> > build
> > > > the
> > > > canonical front-end for ESME.
> > > > I assume that the interaction between the Atlas-built front-end and
> the
> > > > ESME
> > > > server would be based on either the existing public API or a privat=
e
> > API.
> > > > I'm not sure if this is the case, but maybe David can clarify.
> > > >
> > > > Would it be of interest to the group to pursue a course of action i=
n
> > > which
> > > > the ESME UI interacts only with publicly defined API methods (with
> the
> > > > possible exception of authentication)? This might help drive the
> > > evolution
> > > > of the API. It could also make it easier to have interchangeable UI=
s,
> > so
> > > we
> > > > don't end up in UI limbo whenever a major change to the UI is
> proposed
> > > and
> > > > so that enterprise implementors can have an easier time deploying
> > > > custom(ized) UIs.
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to start working on an ESME wrapper using YQL that will
> call
> > > the
> > > > API pretty soon now, so hopefully that will help drive the API
> > > development
> > > > a
> > > > bit as well, but I figure the more people developing against the AP=
I
> > the
> > > > better.
> > > >
> > > > Ethan
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Anne Kathrine Petter=C3=B8e
> > > > <yojibee@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I agree with David.
> > > > > If Altas really is as good as it looks like, I think we should
> check
> > > out
> > > > > the option of switching from jQuery to Cappuccino.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we need to clarify David's question about using non-open
> > tools
> > > in
> > > > > Apache-hosted projects first though.
> > > > >
> > > > > /Anne
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 21. juli. 2009, at 18.55, David Pollak wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Richard Hirsch <
> > > hirsch.dick@gmail.com
> > > > >> >wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>  Question is when is the beta going to be released?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> Dunno... but it does raise another issue... what's the Apache
> policy
> > > of
> > > > >> using non-open tools in order to build Apache-hosted projects?
> >  Atlas
> > > is
> > > > >> not
> > > > >> open.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> We might not be able to wait until it is released. The UI (or
> > absence
> > > > >>> thereof) is the main probelm at the current time.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yeah.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Another issue might be that we are currently focused on JQuery
> but
> > > > >>> 280atlas is Cappuccino-based.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The weight of the jQuery dependency is very light... I'd opt for
> the
> > > > cost
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> switching to Cappuccino if we had a killer GUI builder option.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> D.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:18 AM, David
> > > > >>> Pollak<feeder.of.the.bears@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Folks,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Please take a look at http://280atlas.com/
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Who has interest in building the ESME GUI with this tool?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> David
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> --
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> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> >
>
>
>
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