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From David Pollak <>
Subject Re: How about targetting a "release"?
Date Mon, 18 May 2009 23:11:37 GMT
I'll pull all the HTML out of the Scala code today/tonight as well as
documenting the files that I change.

Let me also see what I can do about separating the authentication out of the
User class.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Darren Hague <> wrote:

> It's not so much the documentation - with a bit of study, I can work out
> what the code is doing. Where I have trouble is refactoring it from there to
> where I want it to be (with particular reference here to getting the HTML
> out of the .scala files).  I think that better, more maintainable code will
> eliminate the need for much documentation.
> Maybe we can tempt some of the other Lift guys in here? There is a great
> case for making ESME the poster child for Lift - but that means that the
> codebase must be readable, maintainable and well-commented. As I have said,
> given patterns to work from, I'm happy to do the spade work here. Yes, that
> makes me something of a script kiddie for now, but that (in combination with
> study) is how people learn.
> Cheers,
> Darren
> Anne Kathrine Petteroe wrote:
>> Darren,
>> I have felt the missing documentation is a roadblock too, that was the
>> reason why I put Jira task #59 (Better documentation of our existing Scala
>> code) on my wishlist for a release.
>> I've wanted to use ESME to learn Scala/Lift myself, but haven't found our
>> code being much help at all.
>> @David: Is this something you could look at?
>> Not sure how much time you have between now and June 30th?
>> /Anne
>> On 18. mai. 2009, at 21.17, Darren Hague wrote:
>>  The outstanding HTML-out-of-Scala-code tickets would be good to address.
>>> I've looked at the Track one, but a couple of hours investigation led me
>>> nowhere. The HTML is just too embedded at the moment.  Unlike the Comet
>>> stuff, where the HTML was relatively easy to extract (because of the nature
>>> of Comet), I had no luck with the other stuff, short of wondering how to
>>> initialise a Scala XML node from an HTML file - for which I couldn't find
>>> any example code anywhere.
>>> Right now, and speaking as someone who's been dabbling in Scala & Lift
>>> for over a year, the ESME codebase is just too hard to work with in many of
>>> the areas I've investigated. Whatever it takes, and however long it takes,
>>> we need to get the codebase into a state where it is understandable and
>>> maintainable, and this is mostly beyond my skills at present.  I will buy
>>> the available Lift & Scala books as available to see if this helps, but in
>>> the short term my effectiveness is limited. I'm happy to do pattern-based
>>> work - if someone can show me an example of how something should be done,
>>> and wants a bunch more of it done, then I am happy to pitch in.
>>> Please note that I am not down on Scala & Lift themselves - I presented
>>> Scala to my team last week, and got some good feedback (to the degree that I
>>> may be allowed to include some Scala in the production code I'm working on)
>>> and I will be presenting Lift in the next few weeks.
>>> All the best,
>>> Darren
>>> Vassil Dichev wrote:
>>>> I've been thinking myself what it would take to release a finished
>>>> version. A release would make it easier for others to try out ESME and
>>>> a release schedule would motivate us to focus on short-term goals.
>>>> I could add ESME-53 (Access pools), and the associated feature
>>>> requests 54-57. Access pools are a personal itch, as their absence was
>>>> the main reason a certain micromessaging solution has been rejected in
>>>> a team I've been in. A lot of the server functionality for access
>>>> pools is finished and the work left is mostly related to the UI.
>>>> I wasn't fully aware that HTML cleanup from the scala files is
>>>> stopping development of the current UI. If that's the case, I should
>>>> probably put the access pools on hold and focus on this task, so
>>>> others are not blocked by 60-63. Is this the case?
>>>> As for a rewrite- anything more significant than the HTML/Scala
>>>> refactoring is not at all realistic for a release schedule 1 1/2
>>>> months from now. I would prefer that any rewrite with our current
>>>> resources is incremental, if possible, otherwise it would mean ESME
>>>> development is frozen for months. I have no desire to kill whatever
>>>> inertia ESME has without any visible results at this time. It should
>>>> be possible to focus on areas, which are not affected so much by the
>>>> perceived inelegance of the code base. Remember- for the outside world
>>>> it is important for ESME to deliver, otherwise it's easy to conclude
>>>> ESME development is stalled.
>>>> Vassil

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