Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-esme-dev-archive@locus.apache.org Received: (qmail 88849 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2008 18:47:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 21 Dec 2008 18:47:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 64715 invoked by uid 500); 21 Dec 2008 18:47:25 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-esme-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 64688 invoked by uid 500); 21 Dec 2008 18:47:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact esme-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list esme-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 64677 invoked by uid 99); 21 Dec 2008 18:47:25 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:47:25 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.8 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [194.138.12.131] (HELO mxs1.siemens.at) (194.138.12.131) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:47:16 +0000 Received: from vies1kbx.sie.siemens.at ([158.226.129.82]) by mxs1.siemens.at with ESMTP id mBLIkowf001539 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:46:50 +0100 Received: from nets139a.ww300.siemens.net ([192.168.217.3]) by vies1kbx.sie.siemens.at (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.1) with ESMTP id mBLIkoq5027350 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:46:50 +0100 Received: from nets13ja.ww300.siemens.net ([158.226.250.79]) by nets139a.ww300.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:46:49 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C9639C.7A5F0348" Subject: RE: Pretty scathing critique of our REST API Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:46:03 +0100 Message-ID: <30DB6ACF50A0A3439F39EFEB1C52E166078F221A@nets13ja.ww300.siemens.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <30DB6ACF50A0A3439F39EFEB1C52E166078F221A@nets13ja.ww300.siemens.net> Thread-Topic: Pretty scathing critique of our REST API Thread-Index: Acljmgx1YE/LrK+ySUSbSnZD66cXuAAAlOwx References: <30DB6ACF50A0A3439F39EFEB1C52E166078F2213@nets13ja.ww300.siemens.net><30DB6ACF50A0A3439F39EFEB1C52E166078F2217@nets13ja.ww300.siemens.net><30DB6ACF50A0A3439F39EFEB1C52E166078F2219@nets13ja.ww300.siemens.net> From: "Hirsch, Richard" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2008 18:46:49.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B725BF0:01C9639C] X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Checked for Spam by eleven - eXpurgate www.eXpurgate.net X-purgate-ID: 149917::081221194650-0B9D0BA0-09BBD389/0-0/0-15 X-purgate-size: 8697/0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9639C.7A5F0348 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a whole thread linked to the initial post. Scroll to the bottom = of the page. =20 D.=20 ________________________________ From: Vassil Dichev [mailto:vdichev@gmail.com] Sent: Sun 12/21/2008 19:28 To: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Pretty scathing critique of our REST API AFAICT, this has nothing to do with the technical merits of the application, but rather with the correctness of the term. The name is the easiest thing to fix. ESME might not be using the name "REST" correctly in the strictest sense, but neither are most of the popular "terms", such as Ajax. I don't want to sound dismissive, but I've seen more scathing remarks about the correctness of REST: http://java.dzone.com/articles/rest-http BTW, where can I see the response in the yahoo group? On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Hirsch, Richard wrote: > Please read the whole thread from the yahoo group message. I've = commented and ask them to join the conversation at esme-dev. > > D. > > ________________________________ > > From: Hirsch, Richard > Sent: Sun 12/21/2008 13:23 > To: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Pretty scathing critique of our REST API > > > > Just found this after following a link on the scala reddit = (http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/2008/12/esme_twitter_clone_in_scala.html) > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rest-discuss/message/11862 > > "Esme's API is as bad anything I saw in the SOAP/XMLRPC days. I'm = dumbfounded this can get incubated in the ASF." > > Yikes. > > D. > > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9639C.7A5F0348--