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From Martijn Dashorst <>
Subject Re: re [VOTE] Release Empire-db version 2.0.5-incubating
Date Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:41:38 GMT
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Francis De
Brabandere<> wrote:
>  +1 votes: 3 (+1 non-binding)

Not quite true unfortunately... You have 0 binding votes (according to
Apache rules). The only votes that are binding are those of a PMC
overseeing a top level project [1], which is the Incubator PMC for
Empire-db. As none of your Mentors have voted (who are the only
Incubator PMC members in your project), you have 0 (legally) binding

PPMC votes *DO* count, though: there's little precedent in people
voting -1 after the PPMC members have voted +1 to add a committer, for
example. Releases are trickier, because there's much more that can go
wrong from a legal standpoint. So in release votes, you're likely to
see more -1 votes from Incubator PMC members than with adding a

Now how to proceed with this release:
 - prod your Mentors to review the release (Henning, Thomas and myself),
 - ask the Incubator PMC on general@ to review the release and approve
it (send the same message from dev@ to general@)
 - answer any questions that might arise from PMC members
 - if you don't have 3 binding +1 votes after 72 hours, prod the
general@ list again—remember it is vacation time
 - prod your mentors again and ask *them* to ask for reviewers
when you have at least 3 binding +1 votes, and no -1 votes, then
you're ready to release the files.

The reason why there's this distinction is because Apache is a
corporation where committees represent the corporation and need to
officially show awareness of decisions that are binding to the
Foundation. The board installs these committees by resolution to
provide oversight. The only folks that are able to provide oversight
are those that have been appointed by the board. Since the PPMC is not
installed by the board, but a artifact from the Incubator, PPMC votes
are not legally binding. Adding a committer is a legally binding
action. Adding a PMC member is a legally binding action. Changing the
Chair of the PMC is a legally binding action, and finally releasing
software is legally binding. This provides The ASF with the means to
protect individuals against litigation: the corporation is
accountable, not the individual developer. Without the binding votes,
The ASF won't be able to protect us individuals (adequately) from



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