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From Jean-Louis Boudart <>
Subject Re: Roadmap and priorities
Date Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:49:16 GMT
Thanks for your advices about issues we may have if we use IRC and
Idea was to organize periodical event (kind of "online barcamp", example
once every two month) , where people can interact with each other at a given
timezone (choosen by the community), . I thought it was a good opportunity
to create interaction between users and easyant developpers, no obligation
at all to be there, no binding decision taken there.
Every idea collected there could then be summarized by one volunteer on the
ML to take decisions.

Let's use it for random chat for now and see then how we could use it.
As a rule we can keep the "If it didn't happen on the mailing list it didn't

2011/2/25 ant elder <>

> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Antoine Levy-Lambert <>
> wrote:
> > On 2/24/2011 12:13 PM, Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2011-02-24, Jean-Louis Boudart wrote:
> >>
> >>> As i said this does not intent to replace the ML, so we shouldn't take
> >>> any
> >>> binding decision there.
> >>> I think it's often easier to start discussion there,  ideas can be
> shared
> >>> "in live" and then voted on the ML,  it's also a good area to discuss
> >>> with
> >>> each other.
> >>> It's just a way to create "in live interactions" between commiters
> and/or
> >>> users. Do you see what i mean?
> >>
> >> Not really, but that could be me.  I have never used IRC for anything
> >> much and don't really like it, YMMV.  I don't recall any fruitful
> >> discussion I ever had via IRC while I recall many of them via email.
> >
> > I have done recently a tiny development on Apache Directory Server and
> the
> > directory developers use a lot of IRC.
> > Not to make big decisions, but either to ask each other practical
> questions
> > or sometimes to explore new ideas.
> > They repeat anything which is strategic by email. They seem to be doing
> like
> > 100 commits per day with 4 or 5 developers
> > so the pace of development is much higher than on Ant currently :-)
> >>
> >> Keep in mind that you are discriminating on timezones[1] for any sort of
> >> synchronous communication (IRC, IM, phone calls, whatever).  You can
> >> discuss whatever you want on IRC, you will probably have to rehash it
> >> again on the list since people who have been unable to join on IRC will
> >> bring up questions/issues you thought you had already covered.
> >>
> >> If it didn't happen on the mailing list it didn't happen.[2]
> >>
> >> Stefan
> >>
> >> [1] Even if EasyAnt development currently seems to be located in France
> >>     more or less exclusively.  Right now.
> >>
> >> [2] I should probably attribute this to Roy Fielding but right now I'm
> >>     too lazy to look up the reference for a real quote.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Antoine
> >
> Some other Apache projects do use IRC but other projects and ASF
> people frown upon its use. As Stefan pointed out it can discriminate
> against users in other timezones as well as those less fluent in the
> language being used or with less time to spend on the project. If
> someone is asking a question on IRC there's a good chance someone else
> some other time would benefit from being able to find the question and
> replies by searching a mailing list archive.
> If you do get most of the active developers hanging out on IRC then I
> think there is a danger that it becomes too easy to chat there instead
> of having mailing list discussion.
>   ...ant

Jean Louis Boudart
Independent consultant
Project Lead

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