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From rdon...@apache.org
Subject svn commit: r432376 - in /incubator/public/trunk: site-author/guides/proposal.xml site-publish/guides/proposal.html
Date Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:19:15 GMT
Author: rdonkin
Date: Thu Aug 17 13:19:15 2006
New Revision: 432376

URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=432376&view=rev
Log:
More examples and some uninspired prose.

Modified:
    incubator/public/trunk/site-author/guides/proposal.xml
    incubator/public/trunk/site-publish/guides/proposal.html

Modified: incubator/public/trunk/site-author/guides/proposal.xml
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/guides/proposal.xml?rev=432376&r1=432375&r2=432376&view=diff
==============================================================================
--- incubator/public/trunk/site-author/guides/proposal.xml (original)
+++ incubator/public/trunk/site-author/guides/proposal.xml Thu Aug 17 13:19:15 2006
@@ -435,29 +435,57 @@
         <section id='template-inexperience-with-open-source'><title>Inexperience
with Open Source</title>
         <blockquote>
         <p>
-One of the reasons why many closed project choose to apply for incubation
-is the experience of Apache in this space. But successfully opening up a closed  
-project means an invest of energy by Apache. So many people look for indications 
-of a willingness to learn and to give back to the community. [this does not flow rationally]
-		</p><p>
+If the project is also open source with a strong history of open development, then highlight
this here.
+        </p>
+        <p>
+Inexperience with open source is one reason why close projects choose to apply for incubation.
+Apache has developed over the years a store of experience in this area.
+Successfully opening up a closed project means an investment of energy by Apache. 
+It also requires a willingness to learn and to give back to the community from the
+originators of the codebase.
+		</p>
+        <p>
 If the project contains people with a strong open source background 
-then this is the place to highlight this.
+then this is the place to highlight this. At the least, it should demonstrate that the proposers
+have done the research required to understand the open source space.
         </p>
+ <pre>
+Example (Cayenne):
+ 
+    Cayenne was started as an open source project in 2001 and has 
+    remained so for 5 years.
+	 
+Example (Beehive):
+
+    Many of the committers have experience working on open source 
+    projects. Five of them have experience as committers on other 
+    Apache projects.
+ </pre>
         </blockquote>
         </section>
         <section id='template-homogenuous-developers'><title>Homogenous Developers</title>
             <blockquote>
                 <p>
-Healthy projects need a mix of developers. Open development means a commitment to encouraging
a diverse mix
-of developers.
+Healthy projects need a mix of developers. Open development means a commitment 
+to encouraging a diverse mix of developers. There is also an art to working as part of 
+a geographically scattered group in a distributed environment.
                 </p>
                 <p>
 Starting with a homogenous community does not prevent a project from entering incubation.
-But projects who already have a mix should take this chance to highlight that they do.
+But for those projects, a public commitment to creating a diverse mix of developers is helpful.
+Those projects who already have a mix should take this chance to highlight that they do.
                 </p>
+<pre>
+Example (Beehive):
+
+    The current list of committers includes developers from several different 
+    companies plus many independent volunteers. The committers are geographically 
+    distributed across the U.S., Europe, and Asia. They are experienced with working
+    in a distributed environment.
+</pre>
             </blockquote>
         </section>
-        <section id='template-reliance-on-salaired-developers'><title>Reliance
on Salaried Developers</title>            
+        <section id='template-reliance-on-salaried-developers'><title>Reliance
on Salaried Developers</title>            
             <blockquote>
                 <p> 
                [needs improvements?] People worry about salaried developers
@@ -500,7 +528,9 @@
                 <p>
                [needs improvements?] Concerns have been raised in the past
 that some projects are proposed just to generate positive publicity for
-themselves. This is the right place to chance to build bridges with the 
+themselves. 
+				</p><p>
+This is the right place to chance to build bridges with the 
 community after past misdemeanors (for example, if any of those associated 
 with the proposal have - in the past - sort to associate themselves with the Apache brand
in
 factually incorrect ways) and promise good conduct for the future.

Modified: incubator/public/trunk/site-publish/guides/proposal.html
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/site-publish/guides/proposal.html?rev=432376&r1=432375&r2=432376&view=diff
==============================================================================
--- incubator/public/trunk/site-publish/guides/proposal.html (original)
+++ incubator/public/trunk/site-publish/guides/proposal.html Thu Aug 17 13:19:15 2006
@@ -564,14 +564,32 @@
 <div class="section-content">
 <blockquote>
         <p>
-One of the reasons why many closed project choose to apply for incubation
-is the experience of Apache in this space. But successfully opening up a closed  
-project means an invest of energy by Apache. So many people look for indications 
-of a willingness to learn and to give back to the community. [this does not flow rationally]
-		</p><p>
+If the project is also open source with a strong history of open development, then highlight
this here.
+        </p>
+        <p>
+Inexperience with open source is one reason why close projects choose to apply for incubation.
+Apache has developed over the years a store of experience in this area.
+Successfully opening up a closed project means an investment of energy by Apache. 
+It also requires a willingness to learn and to give back to the community from the
+originators of the codebase.
+		</p>
+        <p>
 If the project contains people with a strong open source background 
-then this is the place to highlight this.
+then this is the place to highlight this. At the least, it should demonstrate that the proposers
+have done the research required to understand the open source space.
         </p>
+ <pre>
+Example (Cayenne):
+ 
+    Cayenne was started as an open source project in 2001 and has 
+    remained so for 5 years.
+	 
+Example (Beehive):
+
+    Many of the committers have experience working on open source 
+    projects. Five of them have experience as committers on other 
+    Apache projects.
+ </pre>
         </blockquote>
 </div>
 <h5> 
@@ -580,17 +598,27 @@
 <div class="section-content">
 <blockquote>
                 <p>
-Healthy projects need a mix of developers. Open development means a commitment to encouraging
a diverse mix
-of developers.
+Healthy projects need a mix of developers. Open development means a commitment 
+to encouraging a diverse mix of developers. There is also an art to working as part of 
+a geographically scattered group in a distributed environment.
                 </p>
                 <p>
 Starting with a homogenous community does not prevent a project from entering incubation.
-But projects who already have a mix should take this chance to highlight that they do.
+But for those projects, a public commitment to creating a diverse mix of developers is helpful.
+Those projects who already have a mix should take this chance to highlight that they do.
                 </p>
+<pre>
+Example (Beehive):
+
+    The current list of committers includes developers from several different 
+    companies plus many independent volunteers. The committers are geographically 
+    distributed across the U.S., Europe, and Asia. They are experienced with working
+    in a distributed environment.
+</pre>
             </blockquote>
 </div>
 <h5> 
-   <a name="template-reliance-on-salaired-developers">Reliance on Salaried Developers</a>

+   <a name="template-reliance-on-salaried-developers">Reliance on Salaried Developers</a>

 </h5> 
 <div class="section-content">
 <blockquote>
@@ -641,7 +669,9 @@
                 <p>
                [needs improvements?] Concerns have been raised in the past
 that some projects are proposed just to generate positive publicity for
-themselves. This is the right place to chance to build bridges with the 
+themselves. 
+				</p><p>
+This is the right place to chance to build bridges with the 
 community after past misdemeanors (for example, if any of those associated 
 with the proposal have - in the past - sort to associate themselves with the Apache brand
in
 factually incorrect ways) and promise good conduct for the future.



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