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Subject svn commit: r368950 - in /incubator/public/trunk/site-author: howtoparticipate.html incubation/Process_Description.html
Date Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:49:19 GMT
Author: crossley
Date: Fri Jan 13 17:49:15 2006
New Revision: 368950

URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=368950&view=rev
Log:
Try to clarify how to find relevant mailing lists.
Found and removed one mention of board@
Issue: INCUBATOR-12

Modified:
    incubator/public/trunk/site-author/howtoparticipate.html
    incubator/public/trunk/site-author/incubation/Process_Description.html

Modified: incubator/public/trunk/site-author/howtoparticipate.html
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/howtoparticipate.html?rev=368950&r1=368949&r2=368950&view=diff
==============================================================================
--- incubator/public/trunk/site-author/howtoparticipate.html (original)
+++ incubator/public/trunk/site-author/howtoparticipate.html Fri Jan 13 17:49:15 2006
@@ -12,9 +12,15 @@
 <p>Before doing anything, we encourage you to read the incubator website and in particular
             our "About" documents.</p>
             
-<p>If you have other questions, feel free to post them on general@incubator.apache.org</p>

-          
-<p>If you want to help in the development of a specific <a href="site:projects">Incubated
Project</a>
+<p>If you have other questions about any aspect of the incubation process, feel free
to post them on general@incubator.apache.org</p> 
+
+<p>To find a Sponsor project and Mentors, then investigate existing Apache project
mailing lists
+as described in the
+<a href="incubation/Process_Description.html#Establishment">Establishment</a>
section. Follow links at each of the
+<a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/projects.html">Apache projects</a>.
+</p>
+
+<p>If you want to assist with the development of a specific <a href="site:projects">Incubating
Project</a>
             refer to its development mailing list. The Incubator mailing lists are for project
             incubation, not for project development.</p>
             
@@ -29,10 +35,10 @@
          
 <h2>Mailing lists</h2>
 <p>As with everything else in Apache, most of what goes on happens or is discussed

-              on electronic mailing lists. Here are the lists associated with this project,

+              on electronic mailing lists. Here are the lists associated with the Incubator,

               and their purposes.</p>
 <h3>general@incubator.apache.org</h3>
-<p>This is where general and public discussion of things about the project 
+<p>This is where general and public discussion of things about the Incubator
                 take place. It's also where follow-up messages sent in reply to cvs commit

                 reports get sent (see the next list). There is a 'digest' form of this list,

                 which collects individual messages and sends the collection when enough have


Modified: incubator/public/trunk/site-author/incubation/Process_Description.html
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/incubation/Process_Description.html?rev=368950&r1=368949&r2=368950&view=diff
==============================================================================
--- incubator/public/trunk/site-author/incubation/Process_Description.html (original)
+++ incubator/public/trunk/site-author/incubation/Process_Description.html Fri Jan 13 17:49:15
2006
@@ -12,10 +12,24 @@
 <img alt="incubation-process.png" src="incubation-process.png"></p>
 <p>Readers should also review the  <a href="site:incubation/rolesandersponsibilities">Roles
and Responsibilities </a>document for a description of the various parties involved
in the Incubation process. </p>
 <h2>Establishment</h2>
-<p>The first thing you will want to do is find a  <strong>Champion </strong>
for your project.  One way to do this is to explore the Apache site to find similar projects.
 Spend some time reading both the projects' web pages and mailing lists.  By simply lurking
on the mailing lists (see Mailing Lists section  in this document), you may get ideas about
who you would like to ask to help you with your project proposal.  However, Champions must
either be ASF   <a href="ext:apache/foundation/members">members </a>or  <a
href="ext:apache/foundation/officers">officers </a>(see the Champion section later
in this document for more on Champion criteria and responsibilities).  Once you have found
an eligible person who is willing to act as Champion, you can use this person to help you
determine if and how your proposal can complement the ASF.  If you and your Champion are convinced
that your candidate project would fit with the "Apache Way", your Champion can help you to
get it establi
 shed. </p>
+<p>The first thing you will want to do is find a  <strong>Champion </strong>
for your project.
+One way to do this is to explore the existing
+<a href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/projects.html">Apache projects</a>
to find similar projects.
+Spend some time reading their project web pages and mailing lists (follow links at each project
website).
+By simply lurking on the project mailing lists (and also the
+<a href="../howtoparticipate.html">general@incubator list</a> 
+and other Incubating project lists)
+you may get ideas about who you would like to ask to help you with your project proposal.
+</p>
+<p> However, Champions must either be ASF   <a href="ext:apache/foundation/members">members
</a>or  <a href="ext:apache/foundation/officers">officers </a>(see the Champion
section later in this document for more on Champion criteria and responsibilities).  Once
you have found an eligible person who is willing to act as Champion, you can use this person
to help you determine if and how your proposal can complement the ASF.  If you and your Champion
are convinced that your candidate project would fit with the "Apache Way", your Champion can
help you to get it established. </p>
 <p>The establishment of a candidate involves the preparation of a project description
(consistent with the candidate description detailed below) endorsed by a  <strong>Champion</strong>
.   </p>
-<p>A  <strong>Candidate </strong> project description should be submitted
to the relevant mailing list(s) of a  <strong>Sponsor </strong> (see the Mailing
Lists section in this document).  See the  <a class="external" href="http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html">Jakarta
Guidelines for New Projects </a>for a list of issues that should be addressed in your
proposal; also see  <a class="external" href="http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ASFProposalPages">ASF
Proposal Pages </a>for other examples.  Typically a  <strong>Candidate </strong>
is submitted under a message tagged with [[PROPOSAL].  Such a message will normally trigger
some discussions on the receiving mailing list(s).  Your Champion will be involved in these
discussions acting as your advocate. </p>
-<p>As a proposer you should consider the feedback and attempt to gauge a sense of consensus.
 Do not be put off by extended threads under your initial post that have little or nothing
to do with your proposal - however, if you feel that your candidate project is not being addressed,
you may want to specifically request a decision on the Candidate by the Sponsor by posting
a request to the decision making list (either pmc@{project-name}.apache.org or board@apache.org;
see Mailing List section for more details).  Sometimes a vote will be announced without you
asking for it (perhaps you have done some homework and have a PMC member assisting you though
the process), other times you may need to cut through discussions and push your request forward
for a decision. </p>
+<p>A  <strong>Candidate </strong> project description should be submitted
to the relevant mailing list(s) of a  <strong>Sponsor </strong> (see the
+<a href="../howtoparticipate.html">Mailing Lists</a>
+section).
+  See the  <a class="external" href="http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html">Jakarta
Guidelines for New Projects </a>for a list of issues that should be addressed in your
proposal; also see  <a class="external" href="http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ASFProposalPages">ASF
Proposal Pages </a>for other examples.  Typically a  <strong>Candidate </strong>
is submitted under a message tagged with [[PROPOSAL].  Such a message will normally trigger
some discussions on the receiving mailing list(s).  Your Champion will be involved in these
discussions acting as your advocate. </p>
+<p>As a proposer you should consider the feedback and attempt to gauge a sense of consensus.
 Do not be put off by extended threads under your initial post that have little or nothing
to do with your proposal - however, if you feel that your candidate project is not being addressed,
you may want to specifically request a decision on the Candidate by the Sponsor by posting
a request to the decision making list (usually pmc@{project-name}.apache.org - see 
+<a href="../howtoparticipate.html">Mailing Lists</a>
+section for more details).  Sometimes a vote will be announced without you asking for it
(perhaps you have done some homework and have a PMC member assisting you though the process),
other times you may need to cut through discussions and push your request forward for a decision.
</p>
 <h2>Acceptance</h2>
 <p>The decision to accept a project is taken on a vote by the Sponsor.  The format
of this vote will depend on the rules of the entity in question.  Here again it helps if you
have a PMC Member (or board member if the Sponsor is the ASF board) aligned with your project
(preferably as your Champion) because you stand a better chance of getting feedback about
what is actually happening.  The Sponsor will typically take about 7-10 days before announcing
a vote result.   </p>
 <p>If that vote is affirmative, the Sponsor will propose to the  <strong>Incubator
PMC </strong> (referencing the voting result e-mail) that your candidate project be
escalated to  <strong>Podling </strong> status.  The Sponsor will assign a  <strong>Mentor
</strong> .  The Mentor may, or may not, be your original Champion.  If not, it is expected
your Champion will remain involved during the rest of the Incubation process, providing as
much assistance as possible. </p>



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