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Subject: Re: Login link missing in 1.5 with Window IE 8
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:16:33 -0800
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Windows 7. IE 8.
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On Feb 18, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Keith Gable <ziggythehamster@outlook.com> =
wrote:

> IE8 is the most recently supported IE on Windows XP. If you=E2=80=99re =
developing software for Windows XP, you should know that Microsoft is =
stopping all support (unless you have loads of cash) in April.
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> If you=E2=80=99re on Vista or newer, you can run IE9, which does work =
fine.
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> That said, it sounds like a simple patch to make.
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> From: Jason Winshell
> Sent: =E2=80=8ETuesday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EFebruary=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E18=E2=
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> To: CouchDB User Mailing List
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> Jens,
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> Thanks for the speedy response. I certainly appreciate the =
low-bandwidth situation of the folks who generously contribute their =
time. Nonetheless, IE is the browser used by government and many =
corporations. This is not a matter of what browser is better than =
another. It's just a fact of life. I as a contractor, don't get to =
dictate the tools used in those environments. IT staff, like database =
administrators are absolutely not going to use curl (assuming it's even =
allowed to be installed on machines) to manage a database. CouchDB has =
to have browser admin UI that is compatible with IE, Chrome and Firefox. =
IE being the most important even if is not the choice of developers. I'm =
presented with such frustrating realities every day in my work for big =
companies and government. I'm sure there are plenty of folks on the user =
and developer list who deal with that.
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> I'm curious as to what the QA process is for posting official =
releases. What is the test regression process? I got hung up by a =
serious bug (which I didn't know was a bug) last week in the Mac OS 1.5 =
build that I got off the web site. I found that modest size attachments =
(e.g. 3MB) took 20-25 seconds to upload, regardless of the technique. I =
ran the same test on Windows and found no problems, under a second, =
barely measurable. One the contributors, who respond to my post on the =
user forum, said the bug been identified and fixed in a branch, but not =
yet posted as a 1.5 patch build. The Mac is not my production platform, =
but I develop all my code on it. Do you know when/how the bug fix (by =
the way, what is the bug) will be posted to an official build?
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> Thanks
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> Jason
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> On Feb 18, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Jens Alfke <jens@couchbase.com> wrote:
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>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Jason Winshell =
<jason@jasonwinshell.com> wrote:
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>>> I'm at a bit of a loss trying to understand how a bug like this =
could go undetected in an official release.
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>> Because the CouchDB contributors don't have the bandwidth to test the =
admin UI (which is obviously lower priority than the core database) on =
every version of every browser?
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>> (Also, I'll bet there's a low correlation between people who work on =
or use CouchDB and people who use MSIE, so this kind of bug wouldn't get =
noticed very often.)
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>> The thing I find odd is that the one browser CouchDB is officially =
tested with is Firefox, not Chrome, when Chrome has about twice the =
market share of Firefox or MSIE[1] and is based on {something still very =
close to} WebKit, which has about 80% of mobile market share[2].
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>> I'm guessing the choice of which browser to support/test with was =
made early on, maybe 5 years ago, when Firefox was more dominant and =
MSIE was still in terrible shape.
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>>> It's essential that Futon work with IE. Corporate and government =
installations dictate the what software is installed on machines. A user =
would not be allowed to install a Couch compatible browser.
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>> Futon's not an essential part of CouchDB. It doesn't do anything you =
can't do through the REST API. As long as users are allowed to install =
'curl' they'll be OK ;-)
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>> =E2=80=94Jens
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>> [1] =
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Summary_table
>> [2] http://www.businessinsider.com/mobile-browser-share-2013-11


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